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Revisiting VtM: Bloodlines

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Prime Junta, Apr 17, 2016.

  1. almondblight Arcane

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    Yeah. The temple wasn't really hard (at least playing as a Brujah), it was just long and tedious (and filled with a lot of corridors that looked exactly the same). Going 1/2 the speed through it would probably make it even more annoying.
     
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  2. Old One Arcane

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    After I'd played the game a few times, I made my own music for it. All outdoor music was swapped out for silence, which is scarier and allows you to hear the ambient sounds more clearly, and the club music was swapped out for whatever I thought fitting. The Last Round in particular got some old Curtis Knight/Jimi Hendrix stuff that gave it a distinctly different vibe from any other joint in the game.
     
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  3. Okagron Erudite

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    Finished the game and got the No Alliegance Ending. I have another unpopular opinion about this game: i didn't find the endgame dungeons to be that bad. I went with the same mentality as the sewers and loaded up full ammo. Pretty much breezed through them with not much issue.

    Smiling Jack smoking a cigar with the Messerach honestly gave me a laugh.

    I think i honestly love this game and i'm already looking forward to do another playthrough. I really had a great time.
     
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  4. vota DC Learned

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    If you max obfuscate then usually you pick melee because they combine very well and 99% of the game is very easy, but some bosses are almost impossible without fireweapon. As a Malkavian unlike Nosferatu you have auspex too that is quite boring but seems very efficient and buff both defense, hacking and ranged.
     
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  5. Arrowgrab Learned

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    Hey guys, could you help me out?

    I've never played VtM, I guess largely because all the reviews said it was a flawed gem with an emphasis on flawed when it came out, but I'm thinking of doing it later this year. Is there anything a first time player should know in advance? I'm especially thinking of any community patches, unofficial bug fixes, quality-of-life or must-have mods. Also, any advice like "don't play X build, it's totally unviable" would be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  6. unfairlight ヽ(✿゚▽゚)ノ Patron

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    My honest suggestion would be don't play it because it isn't very good but my other suggestion would be to just use wesp's patch.
    VTMB is way overrated and I didn't enjoy basically anything about the game myself. If you want to jack yourself off to edgy vampires and edgy writing then you might like it, but I thought it was total garbage. Also the combat is trash and you shouldn't invest into essentially any stealth skills because they barely work.
     
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  7. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    If you like the emo-goth shit, then this is the game for you. Otherwise, use the Del button on the folder.
     
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  8. Dayyālu Arcane

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    Wesp5's basic patch (there are two options in the install, basic and "restored content" that it's not for newbies) and go in. It's a good game despite weird design choices and budget constraits: the only caveat is not being lured by the first level's free approach. You can't diplo the entire game through: you have to get a single good combat skill for some forced encounters later.

    If you want merely to enjoy the game, Tremere and Ventrue are good options. Malkavian playthrough is a thing (and mechanically doable!) but it's not excellent for a first time player.

    That's it, pretty much.

    Also, don't open it.
     
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  9. Okagron Erudite

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    Forgot to mention i used the wesp patch (didn't used plus though) and i didn't get any major issues with it. The occasional stutter and maybe a texture pop-in and that was about it, it was a smooth experience all around.
     
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  10. gaussgunner Arcane

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    The emphasis belongs on gem. And it's really not that emo-goth. I saw way more edgy emos IRL growing up in the 90s. This is just a parody of them.

    First time, in hindsight, I would just play wesp5's full unofficial patch and make a balanced character, anything but Nosferatu or Malkavian, with an emphasis on melee, hacking, and lockpicking. If you do enough sidequests you'll get plenty of XP. Don't rush the main quests!

    If you're playing it under WINE, run it like this:
    WINEDLLOVERRIDES="dbghelp=n,b" wine Vampire.exe -game Unofficial_Patch
    otherwise it'll seem fine but there'll be some missing items and events, and halfway through you'll get stuck with game-breaking bugs.
     
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  11. Old One Arcane

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    What's really edgy is pretending not to like Bloodlines.

    You can build a character by taking a personality quiz. That's what I did my first time, and I recommend it. Go with whatever you get, even if it's Malkavian or Nosferatu.

    If you only ever plan to play the game one time, play Malkavian.
     
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  12. Wesp5 Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Indeed. And how weird must people be to appear in this thread when someone ask about tips for the game and then recommend to not play it at all! Like do they monitor all threads about games they hate to prevent people to form their own opinion?
     
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  13. vota DC Learned

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    I don't know, Tremere could be ok since their cap on skill has zero impact on early game, but Ventrue seems very difficult when you just begun and can't even drink some good bum.
     
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  14. gaussgunner Arcane

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    I've played a ventrue; that's a non-issue. Bums and rats are low yield blood sources anyway. And you'll be so suave and sexy, all the club girls will put out for you. Plus it's fun to watch yourself puke blood if you do try to suck a bum.
     
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  15. Lambach Arcane

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    Plus, if you're not using any mods, you'll only lose blood when using Disciplines i.e. combat. As a Ventrue, you shouldn't really be getting into combat early game to begin with. In the whole of Santa Monica, there is a grand total of 4 non-optional combat encounters: Gimble, the "Asian Vampire", Blood Guard and the Surfside Diner ambush.
     
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  16. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Or it was done to show the new guy what a bunch of fanbois the game has and warn him away from the pointy toothed furries.
     
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  17. Black Angel Arcane

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    Wait, they're optional? How am I supposed to advance to warehouse quest if they are?
     
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  18. Anomander Rake Self-Ejected

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    Do you realize that while you're referring to people inside this forum and addressing them as fanboys, you are on the other side of the spectrum? Beside, don't you find it weird?

    You could just ignore altogether the topic, but you go in to actually discorauge a guy from playing. If you are honest about your opinion and strongly believe in it, I guess that instead of telling him "don't play it" you should actually give him the tools to play and judge for himself. After all, if you think you aren't wrong about Bloodlines, what's the harm on making other players see and experience the game and why not, share your own idea if it is so bad?

    But maybe I'm too optimist..
     
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  19. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    There is a difference between a fan of a game and a fanboi (with the deliberate "i"). Let's see if you know the difference.

    EDIT: The sad part is, I actually like the setting. I have played the PnP version of it, and have enjoyed it. I find the premise of WoD promising. But the fanbois ruined the whole thing for me. They are worse than LARPers and they are the stereotypical maladjusted basement dwellers that make other roleplayers ashamed of admitting to sharing the hobby with that bunch of degenerates. It is telling that it is a phenomenon that is fairly exclusive to the WoD group, Vampire in particular.
     
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  20. HansDampf Prophet

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    Arrowgrab, you'd be a fool not to try this game.
     
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  21. TheWorld Educated

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    I'm playing vtm for the first "real" time too lately. I tried it when it came out but was encountering too many heavy bugs and gave up. The game is really great, with good writing, some smart quests, and lots of possibilities for different npcs. The combat and stealth are pretty shitty imo. I'm playing a Toreador (which I read is a great newbie character) and the combat became, at least, easy by investing on firearms and celerity. Otherwise... from my limited experience with the game, persuade, security and hacking seem to be the way to go (better to save some skill points and spend them when you meet something you can't open\hack).

    I think it's a game that really needs to be played. Some moments, like the haunted house or the ghouls are top-tier imo.
     
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  22. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    What exactly is emo-goth shit about this game?
    For a game with vampires, it makes a pretty fucking good job at avoiding emo-goth shit. It treats the whole thing tongue-in-cheeck and in fact I'd say it goes beyond avoiding it and actually pushes it into the "cool" territory.
     
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  23. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    The entire Caitiff beach bum nonsense, complete with girl who ran away and boy pining for her.

    Jeanette and her alter ego.

    The serial murderer.

    That failed actor that Isaac wants to bone.

    That Nosferatu ex-actress.

    And those are just the ones I care to remember.
     
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  24. Dayyālu Arcane

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    Cael , do you have a boner for being proven wrong? I dimly remember you getting humiliated in the D&D thread where everyone shat on you with the utmost efficiency, but I'll admit that every man has a right to find sexual pleasure in the most deviant ways.

    About Bloodlines, install Wep5's patch, and consider that here are indeed some mediocre parts particularly in the endgame, when they ran out of time. Get your own opinion, and if you wish report it here.

    Aren't those forum for games, after all?
     
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  25. Storyfag Arcane

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    Out of all your examples, this is the only one that might have made sense... if you ignore the fact that Ash is so over the top that it HAS to be deliberate.
     
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