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Risen is predictable and far too similar to Gothic

Discussion in 'Piranha Bytes' started by sullynathan, Aug 4, 2018.

  1. Darth Roxor Prestigious Gentleman Wielder of the Huegpenis

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    except later on the game is just as likely to spawn rats in the middle of the road as it is to spawn mountain trolls
     
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  2. Multidirectional Arcane

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    So.. is the combat in Risen too easy or too hard? Ghouls are definitely tough at the beginning but they are not even meant to be touched at low level. Although it is possible with good utilization of dodge move and studying of their animations. Their cold attack is especially something you gotta learn to avoid. But again - they are NOT low level enemy.

    Molerat or two? There are way more respawns than that, Trolls included. Or Ogres, can't remember for sure how these big fuckers are called now. Also it's not just respawns, it's RANDOM SPAWNS. Meaning if you fast travel to same location two times in a row you might see completely different enemies. That feeling of hand crafted world and encounters that was always one of the best things about PB games is completely gone there. It's better than Ubishit sandbox or Oblivion/Skyrim for sure, but nowhere near trademark PB quality.
     
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  3. unfairlight ヽ(✿゚▽゚)ノ Patron

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    Neither too easy or too hard. It's just that the attack patterns are bullshit and one hit means death. Ghouls can stunlock you really easy, despite you not being able to do so if you can't kill them in about 3-4 hits. The cold attack is just another reason why I hated some of the enemy design, since they are the one and only enemy that I know of that can break through a block, aside from mages. The later game was way, way too easy since a sharp obsidian 2hander that I made at some part around chapter 3 could kill most things in one combo while ELEX retained challenge for far longer in my opinion.

    I don't think that trolls or ogres respawned. As I said, I don't like it either but it was barely a flaw to me
     
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  4. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    honestly I only ever got about an hour into risen before stopping

    is there a reason to play it?
     
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  5. Elex Arbiter

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    it's not HP, it's armor that reduce flat damage.
    so basically it's early weapon with low damage.
     
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  6. unfairlight ヽ(✿゚▽゚)ノ Patron

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    Risen is good.
     
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  7. sullynathan Arcane

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    balanced
    20 plus hours in now, it gets better. that first town isn't good though
     
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  8. typical user Learned

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    Who would guess Risen is similar to an older game made by the same studio?
     
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  9. Zerth Learned

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    It's smoother than in Gothic 2. And you can perform more combos.

    It was a bit awkward, but I don't recall having targeting issues after doing a sidewalk dodge when ur foe lunges at you. I ended up always at its side range to readily retaliate with a combo, this worked mostly against lizardmen. Although, consider I was a staff user.

    You spent almost 70 hours enduring the flabby stunlock happy swordplay of Gothic 3, which swing animations look more like a bunch of toons flailing pool noodles each other instead of actual weapons. Rather odd you prefer to get back to this considering you said about Risen gameplay.
     
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  10. sullynathan Arcane

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    it's mostly negligible
    I'm still playing Risen. I tried Gothic 3, it was too hard to get bacc into
    only used sword or sword + shield. Sometimes if you do a side dodge, it unlocks the camera and stops locking on the target. It's a flaw of this pseudo lock on system that's been here since Gothic 2 but I don't remember it as bad in Gothic 2. It makes it quite annoying fighting enemies when you either have allies or civilians in combat helping you. Gothic 3 also has this problem.
     
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  11. unfairlight ヽ(✿゚▽゚)ノ Patron

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    Side dodges were shit. If you were close enough, you often would still fall into their attack range even after dodging if they did a combo that went from side to side (most of them.)
     
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  12. Grampy_Bone Magister

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    "Oh woe is me, this fun game is too similar to this other fun game!" Methinks the codexer dost protest too much.


    Roasts aside, I really think Risen is the only Piranha bytes game with decent combat. Gothic 1, 2, and ELEX did their thing and that was fine, Gothic 3 + Risen 2/3 were all just a hot mess. But Risen 1,, did they hire a special combat designer just for that game, and then fire him after it shipped?

    PB: "Whoa whoa whoa! Hold ze phone! Zis combat is all wrong!"

    Combat Dev: "What do you mean? It's tight, responsive, and rewards both player skill and character development."

    PB: "Exzactly! Don't you know our games are zupposed to play like hundescheisse?? YOU ARE FIRED!"
     
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  13. Tiospo Learned

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    I enjoyed Risen because it reminded me of Gothic.

    I enjoyed Risen 2 because of how relaxing the game was. I also liked some of the characters, mainly Jaffar. It also improved some gameplay mechanics from Risen 1. For example, in Risen 2, you don't have to activate teleports in order to fast travel. Just visit a location of some importance. Then you can travel there anytime you like.

    I enjoyed all Risen/Gothic games because of the humour they contain.
     
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  14. Lord_Potato Prophet

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    Ok,I took your advice and started playing Risen.

    So far, so good (although I had to deal with strange animation stuttering that should not appear on my gaming laptop). Looks very similar to Gothic 2. Locked island, 3 warring factions (of which "paladins" and "mages" are in alliance and "outlaws" are hiding away from the main town). Possibility to work for everyone up to a certain point. I chose to go to Harbor Town first, not the outlaw camp in the marshes. Did I choose wisely, provided I want to finally join Don Estebans group? They seem like the least nasty assholes of the whole setting.
     
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  15. unfairlight ヽ(✿゚▽゚)ノ Patron

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    IMO going to the Don's camp is more interesting and sets you up better for what comes later. You can build up your gear a lot better there.
     
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  16. Lord_Potato Prophet

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    My bad. I guess I will live with the consequences of my choice. Hopefully, the "white robes" will not try to forcefully recruit me. Never liked the concept of being a paladin or some other holy warrior.
     
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  17. Micormic Unwanted

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    Never played g1 or g2.



    I played the first Risen, I thought it was better then G3 but found it lacking in many areas.
     
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  18. toro Arcane

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    You just missed the best PB games.
     
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  19. Lord_Potato Prophet

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    Fortunately, it can be ameliorated.
     
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    They will try, don't let 'em. Plus there's a way out of the city if you can find it.
     
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  21. Micormic Unwanted

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    They should of ran on my PC then :outrage:
     
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  22. typical user Learned

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    The controls in the first one are mess, the second one has a tad worse story but gives you more complete experience with additional content. Just remember to give away the blade you get from Night of Raven expansion it makes game too easy and ruins the experience.
     
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  23. ortucis Prophet

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    The whole point of Risen was to recreate Gothic, since they didn't have the IP anymore (back then).

    But nobody gave a shit about Risen cause it was even more generic than Gothic. At least Gothic had cool talking ORC's who weren't just dumb violent archtype's from every other game. Risen meanwhile, had giant moths you would fight.. and suddenly, LIZARD PEOPLE. It was just fucking stupid.

    Every game PB makes is trying to mimic the success of Gothic. I think they finally got one with ELEX.


    Anyway, as for combat in PB games. It has never bothered me, nor has it been "hard" to master. I never understood people bitching about it. Not everything needs to be Demon Souls. Just get good.
     
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  24. Multidirectional Arcane

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    I can't believe there exist people that think ELEX is better than Risen. You niggas crazy.
     
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  25. sullynathan Arcane

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    Risen's combat is better than Gothic's. There's a bit too many dungeons right now fighting Lizardmen.
    Game sucks, but PB could be learn a lot from it
    Got the words right out of my mouth. The first Gothic still has the least generic setting of their games being set in a prison, this one is set on an island and is supposed to have a pirate theme but I don't see it. It's just like Gothic without the the prison dynamic. The faction system this time is almost non-existent compared to Gothic 2.
    You don't understand why people bitch about an action rpg where a large portion of the game is combat and the combat isn't good?
    If you do quests, it leads to combat. Going outside to explore leads to combat. Chapter 3 is right now is dungeon crawling with lots and lots of combat. All of their games have lots of combat and it went from pretty bad to servicable at best once you've fully leveled up an ability.
     
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