Editorial RPG Codex Editorial: Games Journalism Scandal

[Gozma]

Wow, fucking good

Don't let anyone get to you about the long sentences, they held together perfectly.

Although I am also a hyphen comma semicolon addict and would write with nested parentheses if I could so maybe you shouldn't listen to me

 

[Jaesun]

More Fun To Compute and a BRO fist for you.

 

[Grunker]

RPG Codex is not even a real games journalism site. Where are their unboxing videos?

hahaha, that is hilarious. God bless that poster

Someone should quote that post and post the "prestigious magazine"-quote.

Also, grotsnik, you are a fucking boss, sir! Excellent read, though a few pictures and some extra periods would help the article alot. But I guess we don't scale to other people's levles

 

[Angthoron]

Are the gamejournos trying to take Codex down already? Had this going for last 15 minutes or so.

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[VentilatorOfDoom]

I have that too.

 

[Infinitron]

Are the gamejournos trying to take Codex down already? Had this going for last 15 minutes or so.

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[Angthoron]

Are the gamejournos trying to take Codex down already? Had this going for last 15 minutes or so.

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http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdn-testing-in-progress.77407/

Ah, that's what it was. Cheers.

 

[Marsal]

RPG Codex gave up breathing and other forms of weakness a long time ago.

rpg codex, you just made the list of sites I read and recommend

RPGCodex is a great site if you are hardcore into RPGs.

grotsnik You just expanded the reach and influence of the prestigious magazine... by opening the doors to unwashed barbaric hordes.

 

[MaskedMan]

Also, inbe4 lawsuit threats and article editing, with consecutive firing of grotsnik.

Has the Codex ever received legal threats? DarkUnderlord, can you enlighten us?

Cleve has threatened to sue several times, and there was that guy with the beautiful drawing of a minotaur smelling a rose that someone so callously posted without asking his permission first.

 

[grotsnik]

grotsnik You just expanded the reach and influence of the prestigious magazine... by opening the doors to unwashed barbaric hordes.

Pfft. They'll get three pages into the InXile consults academics to create Wasteland authenticity thread and then run screaming for the hills.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

Also, inbe4 lawsuit threats and article editing, with consecutive firing of grotsnik.

Has the Codex ever received legal threats? DarkUnderlord, can you enlighten us?

Cleve has threatened to sue several times, and there was that guy with the beautiful drawing of a minotaur smelling a rose that someone so callously posted without asking his permission first.

ah, the gay minotaur man, good times...

 

[Infinitron]

Also, inbe4 lawsuit threats and article editing, with consecutive firing of grotsnik.

Has the Codex ever received legal threats? DarkUnderlord, can you enlighten us?

Cleve has threatened to sue several times, and there was that guy with the beautiful drawing of a minotaur smelling a rose that someone so callously posted without asking his permission first.

ah, the gay minotaur man, good times...

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/my-minotaur.35738/

 

[Jaesun]

NEVAR FORGET!

 

[Grunker]

Didn't Jim Profit threaten to sue multiple times?

 

[Crooked Bee]

What's with the positive response at NeoGaf? Are those all Codexers in disguise?

 

[Sul]

RPG Codex gave up breathing and other forms of weakness a long time ago.

rpg codex, you just made the list of sites I read and recommend

RPGCodex is a great site if you are hardcore into RPGs.

grotsnik You just expanded the reach and influence of the prestigious magazine... by opening the doors to unwashed barbaric hordes.

Where these quotes are from?

 

[Jaesun]

What's with the positive response at NeoGaf? Are those all Codexers in disguise?

I know!

{the codex article was} Brilliant. Exhaustive. Researched. Scathing. No games journalist can read this and honestly say there's "no story here."

The longer this goes unanswered, the more it looks like journalists are waving their collective hand and saying "these aren't the facts you're looking for."

 

[Jaesun]

Where these quotes are from?

Jebus chris moran. You cant into reading TWO pages?

 

[Crooked Bee]

Brilliant. Exhaustive. Researched. Scathing. No games journalist can read this and honestly say there's "no story here." Every gamer and every journalist--hell, everyone who works in and has an interest in the gaming industry--should read this. If there were such a thing as GAF canon, this editorial would belong in it.

I'm torn between and

Thank you grotsnik and neogaf for providing me with such entertainment.

 

[Sul]

Where these quotes are from?

Jebus chris moran. You cant into reading TWO pages?

Sorry. Just found it 2 minutes after requesting the link.

 

[Mother Russia]

Good stuff, but honestly nothing really will come from this, as this is something that has been known for a while. The most famous scandal ofcourse, was the one involving Eidos and Gamespot, wherein the Gamespot dude was fired due to pressure from Eidos, formed Giantbomb, and the rejoined Gamespot once gamespot's parent site bought Giantbomb.

Anyhow, when you have review sites influencing purchasing power to such a large degree wherein many ppl just look at a 'respected' sites review score then rush out to buy the game if 8.0+, obviously you are going to have publishers and even gaming companies bribing these fuckers. There are literally scores of millions of dollars to be had or lost...

My suggestion to ppl is to depend on indie reviews, and/or word of mouth via message board veterans you trust. (even these can eventually be bribed...be warned. For instance, it is pretty obvious Infinitron has been given jewgold by Arkane to push Dishonored down our gullets, even though it is a shit game)

 

[Brother None]

That wasn't a very easy read. I mean, it was well-researched and indepth, but the run-on sentences and weird formatting made it a bit of a headache. Just providing some constructive feedback here, it was a good piece anyway, salute to grotsnik and all that.

Seems like game journalists are mostly effectively stonewalling this to death, though to be fair a bunch of sites picked up the story (including, for example, PA Report). Lauren Wainwright is still not fired, apparently, which is just baffling to me. Even if it's just as a sacrificial lamb I don't see how you can have her keep writing reviews now, with a straight face.

Not sure what's with Rab and Walker suddenly trying to say it's all about PR. That's weaksauce. It's journalists, and it's also consumers, and it's PR. PR tries to manipulate and coerce. Consumers actually bash journalists who are honest and harsh. Journalists are stuck between a rock and a hard place and decide integrity is not as important as doing your hobby as your job. Everyone is losing there. It's just us guys on the niche who write for people interested in honest opinions and who don't care about publisher pressure that can have integrity about it. I'd never want to write for a mainstream media site, though, as a paid fulltime job. Seems like an awful, shitty job to me.

If the consumer expectations were to change, maybe journalists would be force to, and then PR would be. Right now we're just stuck in a vicious cycle though, and game journalists can afford to be arrogant and insular about this shit, and just ignore it until it goes away.

PS: oh, that Square Enix buddy grotsnik mentions in the story? She works for Bethesda now. So expect Wainwright to suddenly become super-enthused about Bethesda titles.

 

[Jaesun]

Oh gawd, what have you done Ms. Bee. (twitter).

 

[Crooked Bee]

I dunno, I think grotsnik's style has a very good flow. Personally I read it in a single breath. And seriously, pictures?! Lrn2read lol (as William Faulkner would say).

Oh gawd, what have you done Ms. Bee. (twitter).

Meh, I don't think he'll react.

 

[grotsnik]

Oh gawd, what have you done Ms. Bee. (twitter).

If he replies to say he hated it and it completely misrepresented his position, I'll have to put up a libel charge against the Codex for their false and malicious fabrication that I was the one who wrote it.