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Codex Interview RPG Codex Interview: Chris Avellone on Pillars Cut Content, Game Development Hierarchies and More

Discussion in 'RPG Codex News & Content Comments' started by Infinitron, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. Rev Arcane

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    Chris Avellone how could you just lose the ownership of the company you co-founded just like that and get nothing in return? Don't you have a lawyer or something?
    I don't know how it works in the USA, but where I live I think it's a bit harder to rob someone of his equity shares just like that.
     
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  2. Azarkon Arcane

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    Not only is it legal, but it is common in small business disputes, for the majority share holder to remove minority share holders from the company.

    The only legal issue would've been taking away his shares - that is not usually legal without abuse.
     
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  3. Blakemoreland Hybrid Boss Magister Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
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  4. Abu Antar Tweet, tweet Patron

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    I'm no legal expert and I will never become one, but every time I read a new post by Chris Avellone about what happened, I can only think [​IMG]
     
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  5. agentorange Arcane Patron

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    Maybe he doesn't feel worth it to get lawyered up and spend the next years in and out of court. All of that can be merciless and exhausting. He seems to be too busy enjoying his new freedom.
     
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  6. Cross Savant

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    You didn't think it was relevant to mention the fact that Feargus took away your co-ownership and robbed you of your royalties when you were describing the sordid details of how you left Obsidian?

    Are there any other incidental human right violations Obsidian commited that we should be aware of?
     
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  7. HanoverF Arcane Patron

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    Feargus reaction:
    Show Spoiler
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  8. Rev Arcane

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    He's obviously not happy with how things turned out, though, so maybe it would've been worth it to do something more about it.
     
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  9. Kyl Von Kull The Night Tripper Patron

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    I figured the other partners diluted him (a la how Mark Zuckerberg forced out his roomy in The Social Network). They just create new shares and divide them among themselves, leaving MCA out. So maybe Chris had 5 shares out of a hundred, they could make it so he has 5 shares out of 10 million, making his position effectively worthless without technically taking anything away from him. But it sounds even simpler than that.
     
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  10. Maculo Prophet

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    It depends on the entity and the agreement. Avellone did not mention shares, and so I am inclined to think he meant a right to the profits and losses. There could be an agreement to give him a share of the profits and losses without granting shares, ownership control, equity stake, etc.
     
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  11. Irata Learned

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    I'm stunned at what happened if he was an actual partner. I just can't believe that "owner" isn't being used as a synonym for founder. Was he liable for the company's debts? Even in a limited capacity? If so and he had no equity then he should sue his lawyer. I'm not trying to be a dick, but someone screwed him over big time, and knew they were screwing him, if he was an actual co-owner. I'm not even sure it would be legal.
     
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  12. Mustawd Arcane

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    Owner/founder are just laymen words people use. What really matters is how a partnership or LLC or etc agreement is structured. You can call a group a people "founders" for example, but likely only the portion who put in capital to form the business are Majority Partners.

    https://business-law.freeadvice.com/business-law/corporations/expel-minor-partner-from-business.htm


     
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  13. Azarkon Arcane

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    Doing this to dilute the value of his shares would open Obsidian up to law suits, as they'd have to prove there was no conflict of interest when it was done, and it'd also require them to buy the new shares as otherwise their own share of the company is also reduced. The best way to remove a minority share holder from a company is to simply have a share holder agreement, signed at the company's creation, that allows them to buy out his shares at a previously agreed upon price. I don't know whether that applies in this case. Failing the existence of such an agreement, they could try to merge with a new company to do a freeze out. But I don't think that happened.
     
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  14. skacky Prestigious Gentleman 3D Realms Developer

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    Holy crap Chris Avellone, that latest post makes my blood boil. You handled that like a champ.
     
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  15. Puteo Learned

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    Do you think he just accidentally left these details out? That the greatest videogame writer of all time just so happens to slip in a new bombshell bigger than the last every time it seems like the action is over and the drama is dying down?

    Oh no, this is 100% planned. Maybe not the timing of it, but he's probably got his plot beats all planned out for maximum impact. I imagine we're going to get another boss fight soon.

    Just sit back and enjoy Mr. Avellone's wild ride


    :drink:
     
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  16. Mebrilia Scholar

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    Hey Chris "Endure in enduring grow strong"
     
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  17. Ninjerk Arcane

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    I'm pretty sure if he invited "someone" from OBS upper management he'd start by playing them Huey Lewis and the news.
     
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  18. Hamster Arcane Patron

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    Actually they are Chris Avellone's buddies in the Russian Mob now.

    https://www.pcgamer.com/obsidian-is-no-longer-working-on-armored-warfare/

     
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  19. Irata Learned

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    Right, but if he's being labeled a partner then he can be individually sued over the companies debts. He'd then have to sue the other members on his own. Why would he allow that and get no benefits?
     
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  20. abnaxus Arcane Patron

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    Crooked Feargus.
     
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  21. Maculo Prophet

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    A shareholder agreement is possible, but Avellone never mentioned shares or forced buybacks of stock. Furthermore, I would be curious how a buyback would leave him with no compensation for it.

    He made it sound like a revocable right at the discretion of a stakeholder.


    As far as I know Obsidian (i.e., Obsidian Entertainment, Inc.) is a corporation and not a partnership entity.
     
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  22. Azarkon Arcane

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    The question is how many shares he had in the company; and what were done to those. Profit sharing is legally required for all share holders, so not paying him any fraction from the company's profits would generally be illegal, but it'd depend on the share holder agreement. Now, in case owner is just being used as a title, and he didn't actually have ANY shares, then technically ... Feargus could do whatever he wanted with the company and Chris would have zero say.
     
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  23. Mustawd Arcane

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    The agreement could specify the share price, which might be peanuts due to it being an outdated price or just because fuck you.
     
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  24. Parabalus Arcane

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    The more I read Chris' posts the more I wonder why "Obsidian Upper Management" didn't just hire a hitman - guess they really enjoy twisting the knife. And the money.
     
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  25. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    As I said earlier:

    Or some variation of that.
     
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