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Codex Review RPG Codex Review: ATOM RPG

Discussion in 'RPG Codex News & Content Comments' started by Infinitron, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Prime Junta Arcane

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    About that po-mo thing, I have a suspicion the author may not be completely unfamiliar with the topic. Unlike certain others ITT

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Bataille
     
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  2. Jrpgfan Savant

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    Another thing I'd like to add is, although the game goes for some realism in the combat, there's one thing that really bothers me that goes against this which is switching weapons not costing AP. Ie. an Aimed shot with an AK-47 costs 6 AP, a regular one 5 AP and a regular shot with a makarov 4 AP. If I have 10 AP I can do an aimed shot with the AK and a regular shot with the makarov, which in real life should obviously take more time than taking two shots with the AK-47 since I have to draw the pistol from the holster and aim at the enemy.

    A solution I can see to this without adding AP cost to switching weapons is increasing the shots AP after you take a shot with another weapon. I don't know if that's easily doable from a programming standpoint though.
     
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  3. Doktor Best Arcane

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    He basically said he liked it. This tells you nothing if you dont know the guy.
     
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  4. Darth Roxor Prestigious Gentleman Wielder of the Huegpenis

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    I had many hearty laughs while reading the revio, but judging by both its content and a bunch of impressions/pix I've seen, I'd be inclined to agree with some of the folks who say that sometimes a meme is just a meme :M
     
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  5. V_K Arcane

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    A meme by any other name
     
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  6. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    Is forgotten quickly just the same.
     
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  7. Kyl Von Kull The Night Tripper Patron

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    ??? You can give your companions orders in combat. Click on them when it’s your turn.

    Imagine this take on Fallout: “Let’s not even talk about melee. It’s energy weapons >> everything else. Avoid all combat.”

    You also don’t seem to understand how DR/DT work.

    YMMV on ATOM, but generally when someone misses whole features and misunderstands mechanics, they don’t know what they’re Talking about.
     
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  8. Товарищ Unwanted

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    You are too dumb to talk mechanics to me. DR/DT xD
    Why are rifles rolling damage above their displayed values?
    Quick idiot test: do the skillpoints in weapon skills translate linearly into CTH? And how exactly?
    Another one: what about the dog?

    Fallout combat is as garbage as ATOM, da fuck you are on? Imagine this hot take!
    The only tactikewl thing you can do is camp corners/kite and bypass armor with crits.
    ATOM pays homage to it xD Their rudimentary AI steps around corners to break LOS. Except when you break LOS too, then they move out...........

    Controlling another unit that does nothing but shoot and move does not change the equation.
    In fact, I am pretty sure that you havent used this great feature!
    Because focusing down an enemy means:
    For Fidel: left click, hold, select 'target x', click on enemy
    For Hex: left click, hold, select 'target x', click on enemy
    EVERY TURN!
    Fidel will switch from a dying rat to a fresh one when it goes into range! Have fun clicking, dummy.
    AI target selection is hurtful.

    Semi-control just makes it worse... since its not full control, breh.
    If you tell your squad to move to X, they will - and promptly leave the position to run into gunfire.
    You are better off telling them to wait for you somewhere.

    Fighting against shit companion AI is good combat now.
     
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  9. Товарищ Unwanted

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    ~~~ riting ~~~
    The dev said in his defense about the reference circus, that its not too bad.


    First guy past the intro, prolonged 7 Samurai reference
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    Stalker reference? Urban legend?
    Story about dead friend calling someone into the cellar and that someone disappearing.
    I cant place it, I am sure I have heard it before
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    This guy talks like its the 70s and they are building Communism in Ostradno
    I feel that its a caricature, a reference if you will.
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    Nietzsche
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    2 in 1! Which comedy club fag was the portrait copied from?
    Why are the author names mentioned? Why is she referencing them specifically? There is no context to it, no meaning. Just moronic references.
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    Tutorial village, brehs! I have only talked to NPCs above and Kovalev and his guard and the stereotypical out-of-place """secret""" snitch, whom I did not include into references but he is as retarded as them.

    And when you reach Krasno, then you will understand this reference:
    1121314152
     
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  10. Alpan Learned Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
    Thanks to bataille for writing a review that doesn't scale to the average Codexer's level.
     
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  11. Pretty Prophet Patron

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    It seems Russia brought incline not only in rpg, but also in gaming journalism!
    Virgin ludonarrative dissonance vs Chad crpg analysis through the lenses of late Perestroika!
     
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  12. Deadass Learned

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  13. Latro Arcane

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    It's all come to a head. The storyfags would have Codex become the gaming equivalent of the Paris Review or the New Yorker. Only a few men and a rat are all that's left to stand up for gameplay.
     
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  14. Bohr Arcane

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    Thanks for the review :salute:

    I want to be a Russian...
     
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  15. index.php Cipher

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    To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand ATOM RPG.
     
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  16. Politician Lurker King

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    First you have cRPG writing as a profession and pretentious game journalists discussing the intricacies of the lore.

    Now you have codexers making game reviews that look like the garbage you would find in a cultural studies course.

    It’s decline.
     
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  17. Apostle Hand Learned Possibly Retarded

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    nice review by bataille
     
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  18. Товарищ Unwanted

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    I honestly cannot comprehend how in Gods name ATOM explores what it was like to be a curious kid outright basking in post-Dissolution Russia's culture. The real one that is.
    Le epic cringe. Yikes.

    Excuse me, mister sir, well read, literary connoisseur par excellence, but where is this outrageous, unreal, obvious FEEL?
    Does it happen when you are fighting rats and ants? Or big spiders and wasps with glowing eyes?
    Is it a quest? The one where you collect 5 mushrooms? What language, what character, what circumstance evokes such dreamy, feverish state?
    Maybe it is you, who is in a fever dream? Maybe even euphoric in that moment...

    What is it that the game's nostalgia (there is no nostalgia in the game...) longs for, you did not tell? Was it just empty trash coming out your mouth?

    But maybe its not the game. It is you.
     
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  19. Siveon Bot Patron

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    Shadorwun: Hong Kong
    Yeah that was kind of disappointing. I don't really care about all the postmodern stuff (which now makes me wonder if I'll even like Disco Elysium), and without all of that what do I really get. A re-do of the first Fallout with references I don't really understand?
     
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  20. Politician Lurker King

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    You will get a great game that can stand on its own. Ignore this bullshit review and play the game. It's good.
     
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  21. Pretty Prophet Patron

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    Can agree with that. I was a high IQ curious kid basking in post-Dissolution Russia's culture (flooded at the time by us/japan culture). If you want to get the same experience I recommend you reading Konstantin Vaginov's Satyr Chorus, Works and Days of Svistonov (experience of being a creative high IQ person in times of decay, consuming works of older culture which is long dead but seems to be more lively than decaying husk of what was not long ago), Ivan Shmelyov The Sun of the Dead (fairy tale like experience of a period of global loss of humanity, atomization and cultural depersonalization). I don't think ATOM can be compared to this for various reasons. It's not dreamy at all. A reference is not an allegory and you cannot build a dreamscape with those, only an attraction park, the type you can see on beaches in southern russian cities. The writing unfortunately lacks elegancy, estheticism and etc. Not really a bad thing, fallout 1&2 definitely weren't dreamy themselves. I also don't thonk they add anything to the things they reference or add anything to the plot which is important distinction between shallow attraction ("wow, I know the thing author is citing") and purposeful art.
    The are some decent works of arts with a bunch of references. Like in Dovlatov's I want to be strong which I enjoy and always get inspired by to read more stuff, he references to other literaly works helps establish character and their surrounding (including social circles). When Frida asks what hero wants to talk about with her and proposes jaunly Hitler, Przybyszewski or Kafka it show not only the sphere of interest of her class but also ironic attitude towards intellectualism. Similar attitude is shown in many Vaginov's works there works of high art is grandiouse and precious but also meaningless, turned into toys by revolutionary circumstances and the fact they are used as escapism by heroes whos agency is questionable.

    What is the purpose of all the references in Atom other than entertain the same sensibilities which make some guy clap and scream when he sees a bunch of toys from old movies (like millenium falcon) in the new start wars trailer? Do they really have a deeper meaning or bigger purpose?
     
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  22. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Serpent in the Staglands Torment: Tides of Numenera
    Couldn't resist adding that one in huh

    Twice even
     
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  23. CappenVarra phantasmist Patron

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    That introductory paragraph alone deserves a brofist, you poetic sentient, you.:incline:

    About the game itself, I'll reserve judgment until GOG release - Steam is the great capitalist-hopelessly-clueless-spyware-shaitan-wannabe (and can fuck itself off right to hemorrhagic oblibion) - and I must confess my knowledge of eastern block literature starts and ends at His Most Majestic Holiness, Stanislaw Lem :obviously: - but what I've read about the game so far makes it a day one purchase.

    If this turns out badly, I might come back to shout at you to get off my lawn - but so far, would you come in for a shot of Russian Standard and possibly keep reviewing? :salute:
     
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  24. Atomboy Atom Team Developer

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    What have we here, fellow gamers? A brand new codex review and a whole giant, heated discussion to accompany it?! This is so awesome. As 50% of Atom's writing team, I am very happy with how this one turned out, especially. Thank you very much, dear bataille! Seeing how deep the text we wrote can lead the one, who doesn't mind the search, is tremendous praise in itself. I'm very glad that the hidden things that are close to my heart, that I hid betwixt the memes and lines can be uncovered again. Does that make the game better? Do you need it to "get" the game, or to enjoy it? I don't really think so. (For that, IMO, you mainly need rebalanced combat, better merchants, typo correction and bugfixes, but these are coming soon, promise) Still, I'm glad that they are there, that they can be found and appreciated, or mocked, or critiqued, because it shows that our little ol' passion project indeed has various layers. Just like an ogre.

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    Thank you very much, everyone! The author - for the awesome review, the rest of yall for discussing the game, for liking and\or critiquing our stuff, for pointing out our flaws, it really keeps the game alive and growing. What I will never regret is making the Codex our game's place to be in the English-speaking RPG world!
     
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  25. Vityaz Learned

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    That was pretty interesting to read.
     
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