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RPG Codex's Best RPGs - 2019 - RESULTS ARE OUT!

Nutria

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I just want to point out that I am NOT one of the newfags responsible for Darklands losing 30 places. :negative:
 

anvi

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I think you should do this every year instead, and re-open the poll for me, and also give me 5 extra points to bro fist some old things nobody knows, and gimme -5 to distribute to games that I think need putting in their place. (I would put all -5 on Planescape).
 

mondblut

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New total ranking adjusted for mondblutianism
[new rank] [name] ... [NSP] ... [ranks won or lost]
1 Jagged Alliance 2 … 54.3 … 12
2 Fallout 1 … 43.9 … 0
3 Wizardry 8 … 40.6 … 17
4 Planescape: Torment … 38.4 … -3
5 Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar … 36.3 … 17
6 Fallout 2 … 31.6 … 0
7 Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura … 30.9 … -3
8 Vampire: The Mascarade - Bloodlines … 29.5 … -3
9 Wizardry VII: Crusaders of the Dark Savant … 29.1 … 20
10 Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn … 28.7 … -7
11 Pool of Radiance … 26.1 … 15
12 Deus Ex … 15.9 … -4
13 Dark Souls … 15.7 … -1
14 TES III: Morrowind … 15.3 … -4
15 Fallout: New Vegas … 14.9 … -8
16 M&M IV-V: Xeen … 13.5 … 23
17 Gothic 2 … 13.1 … -8
18 Age of Decadence … 11.8 … -7
19 Pathfinder: Kingmaker … 10.9 … -5
20 Underrail … 10.2 … -4
21 RoA II: Star Trail … 9.6 … 21
22 M&M II: Gates to Another World … 9.2 … 45
23 Betrayal at Krondor … 9.1 … 2
24 Dark Sun: Shattered Lands … 8.3 … 10
25 Shadowrun: Dragonfall - Director's Cut … 8.3 … 3

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Whoa. I missed that post when it mattered. Hats off, man! :salute:

(the bottom half could use some serious scrubbing, still infinitely better than what the plebs voted for).
 

Darth Canoli

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Here is a separate list that excludes the shameful scumbags like myself who did not give at least (selected on the basis of the fanboy method above). 1-pointers are excluded because your pity point is insulting. The max points given by a single user for those five games is 15 (from mondblut and Dorateen). In total, 107 codexers have at least some 'thal in them and gave 2 or more points to these games.

Formula: as above. You might want to exclude the top 5 because they are reference points.
[rank] [name] [relative gain]
1 Jagged Alliance 2 … 50.9
2 Wizardry 8 … 37.9
3 Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar … 36.4
4 Wizardry VII: Crusaders of the Dark Savant … 29.1
5 Pool of Radiance … 24.4
6 M&M IV-V: Xeen … 10.8
7 M&M II: Gates to Another World … 8.9
8 Pools of Darkness … 6.5
9 RoA II: Star Trail … 6.3
10 Wizardry VI: Bane of the Cosmic Forge … 4.6
11 Ultima Underworld I: The Stygian Abyss … 3.8
12 Dark Sun: Shattered Lands … 3.5
13 Kenshi … 3.4
14 Shadowrun: Dragonfall - Director's Cut … 2.6
15 Betrayal at Krondor … 2.4
16 Knights of the Chalice … 1.9
17 Dark Souls II … 1.2
18 The Temple of Elemental Evil … 1.1
19 M&M VII: For Blood and Honor … 1.1
20 Fallout 2 … 1
21 System Shock 2 … 0.9
22 Divinity: Original Sin … 0.9
23 Dungeon Master … 0.9
24 Arx Fatalis … 0.6
25 TES II: Daggerfall … 0.5
26 Elminage: Gothic … 0.5

Great list, way better than the original one and aside from Dark Soul, every other title deserves a spot even if some great games didn't make it.

A Better mode of filtering would be :

Original:
2 points to Pool of Radiance, Grimoire, JA2, Wizardry 7 and Wizardry 8
Methods
The new measurement are non-subhuman points (NSP):
1 point original from a full mondblutian (15 points, which is the max) = 1 NSP
1 point original from a full subhuman (0 or 1 points) = 0 NSP
everyone else is a hybrid of mondblutian and subhuman, such that if a user gave 6 points, each point from him is worth 6/15 = 0.4 NSP


Improved version:
Points from Pool of Radiance, Grimoire, BaK, JA2, Wizardry 7 and Wizardry 8, Isles of Terra, WoX, M&M VI, Dark Sun, Fallout 1/2, Arcanum, ToEE and KotC.
-1 for Fallout 3, 4, Skyrim, Oblivion, any Dark soul, Assassin Creed and The Witcher (-1 from any that made the list)
If the Total >= 4 your a real human, otherwise, you're a sub-human and your vote is discarded.
Like the original one, your points are mitigated by your NSP rating.
Methods
The new measurement are non-subhuman points (NSP):
1 point original from a full mondblutian (15 points, which is the max) = 1 NSP
1 point original from a full subhuman (0 or 1 points) = 0 NSP
everyone else is a hybrid of mondblutian and subhuman, such that if a user gave 6 points, each point from him is worth 6/15 = 0.4 NSP

Let's make the Codex great again!
 
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Darth Canoli

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I'm making the new gluten-free prestigious Codex Top cRPG, almost done page 1, it's going to take some time, even with the discarded sub-human votes.

As a side note, i'm gathering the NSP scores on piece of paper (required for the new rating)

Best NSP ratings so far
  1. Goral 0.72
  2. mushaden 0.48
  3. fantadomat 0.36
  4. Lady Error 0.32
  5. Tigranes 0.24
  6. GabrielMP_19 0.24
Worst NSP ratings
  1. majorsoccer (troll post) -3
  2. Ulfhednar 0
  3. Nano 0
  4. Ventidus 0
Fixed NSP with the addition of BaK to the list of incline.
 
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Butter

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I'm making the new gluten-free prestigious Codex Top cRPG, almost done page 1, it's going to take some time, even with the discarded sub-human votes.

As a side note, i'm gathering the NSP scores on piece of paper (required for the new rating)

Best NSP ratings so far
  1. Goral 0.56
  2. mushaden 0.44
  3. fantadomat 0.36
  4. Lady Error 0.32
  5. Tigranes 0.24
  6. GabrielMP_19 0.24
Worst NSP ratings
  1. majorsoccer (troll post) -3
  2. Ulfhednar 0
  3. Nano 0
  4. Ventidus 0
This is /pol/ level autism, and I salute you.
 

Fowyr

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I'm a bit disappointed in the turn-up for this vote.
I lost all hope in felipepe's polls for a several years already (and sometimes, I just missed them).
Results are pretty abysmal, BTW. I once wrote about these polls.
Fowyr said:
Nah, there is just too many newfags on the Codex whose first cRPG was BG2 or, God forbid, Oblivion and who never played anything older. IncendiaryDevice 's polls are very elucidating in that regard. Aethra Chronicles is one of the best shareware RPGs of 90s, but was played only by Andhaira, mondblut, octavius, V_K and handful others.
 

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Temporary scores (page 1 )

Fallout 1 0.6+0.4+0.64+3.6+1.92+1.2//+0.48 = 8.84
Planetscape: Torment 0.6+1.8+0.6+0.48+0.48+0.32+0.96//+0.64 = 5.88
Wizardry 8 0.16+2.88+0.48 = 3.52
Underrail 0.36+0.4+0.48+1.2 = 2.44
Fallout 2 0.48+0.6+0.2+0.6+0.48 = 2.36

Wizardry 7 0.96+0.96 = 1.92
Might & Magic 6 1.8
Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar 1.6
Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 0.72+0.56 = 1.28
Gothic 1 0.6+0.64 = 1.24

It's probably going to keep me busy for 3 weeks at least.
 

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So you cooked the votes to have different result huh...
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Interesting~

It's not cooking because i'm not comparing methods to get what i want*, it's just using a filter to keep only the monocled Codexers and see what a real Codex Best cRPGs list looks like.

*Well, mostly, keeping Visual Novels/Cinematic games + Action walking simulators with (sometimes) RPG elements at bay might be considering cooking but these games shouldn't have been eligible to begin with.
 

Ol' Willy

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Temporary scores (page 1 )

Fallout 1 0.6+0.4+0.64+3.6+1.92+1.2//+0.48 = 8.84
Planetscape: Torment 0.6+1.8+0.6+0.48+0.48+0.32+0.96//+0.64 = 5.88
Wizardry 8 0.16+2.88+0.48 = 3.52
Underrail 0.36+0.4+0.48+1.2 = 2.44
Fallout 2 0.48+0.6+0.2+0.6+0.48 = 2.36

Wizardry 7 0.96+0.96 = 1.92
Might & Magic 6 1.8
Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar 1.6
Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 0.72+0.56 = 1.28
Gothic 1 0.6+0.64 = 1.24
I fail to see Arcanum here, mate. Vote fraud!
 

Grauken

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Worst NSP ratings
  1. majorsoccer (troll post) -3
  2. Ulfhednar 0
  3. Nano 0
  4. Ventidus 0
Do I win anything?

Your vote was called nothing by a nobody, this cancels each other out, so you win a no-prize

1960s-Marvel-No-Prize.jpg
 

Darth Canoli

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So, i'm not sure it's worth investing so much time and the result is actually closer to the previous Top 70 without the walking simulators in it.
They're still lurking but way lower.

It made me realize my previous idea was way better.
Instead of a top melting pot of cRPG including non cRPG plebeians think are RPG, it should be different categories of genres classified by decades with way less points for each category, like 9 for each.

Temporal categories:
  • Until 1993 (The Bronze Age)
  • 1994-2007 (Iron Age)
  • 2008-2020 (New Era)
Games categories:
  • Isometric party-based
  • Blobbers
  • 2D/3D Action
  • Eventually, JRPG ?
Everyone would be allowed to vote in every category but would also be allowed to only vote in one, no shame is admitting you never player any game pre 94, any blobber or any JRPG (lucky you).

I think it'd be a good fit for the 2020 Codex Top CRPG, trying new things is a sign of self improvement, right?
 

Ol' Willy

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Isometric party-based
So single character RPGs go straight outta window, such as:

No Underrail
No AoD
No Fallout 1 (AI companions != party)

Everyone would be allowed to vote in every category but would also be allowed to only vote in one, no shame is admitting you never player any game pre 94, any blobber or any JRPG (lucky you).
The point of that? E.G., I don't play any blobbers and weeb shit, so my votes in these categories would be completely worthless. Similar situation for the time periods - what's the point of voting for the game one didn't play?
 

Darth Canoli

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No Underrail
No AoD
No Fallout 1 (AI companions != party)

Nothing is written into stone, we could add a Weirdos category but i considen Fallout 1 & 2 party based, even the vanilla version because you can pick and switch members and also have some control over them (or was it just Fallout 2?) but who plays them without fixit anyway?
And with fixit, they're party-base.

Underrail, The Quest, AoD, etc. are quite the weirdos, they deserve a proper category but they're clearly not in the same one as the isometric party-based ones.


The point of that? E.G., I don't play any blobbers and weeb shit, so my votes in these categories would be completely worthless. Similar situation for the time periods - what's the point of voting for the game one didn't play?

What are you complaining about exactly here ?
That's what i said, you'd vote in any category you want, how are we supposed to know which category of games you played?
You have to be the judge of that, because even with a couple of questions to determine if you can vote or not for each category (like how many games of that category/era you player, and how many in the last 5 years for example), you could say whatever you want.

So, it's only up to the voters to police themselves.
Still, i believe this system would work way better since recent games don't compete with older ones anymore so no reason to vote for post 94 games if you have no interest in them, for example.

In the end, we would only get more accurate results in each category.
 
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Ol' Willy

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What are you complaining about exactly here ?
Nothing, I just can't fucking read. Vote in any category, but only in one, that makes sense.
Underrail, The Quest, AoD, etc. are quite the weirdos, they deserve a proper category but they're clearly not in the same one as the isometric party-based ones.
Most party-based games could be soloed. I never ever had any companions in Fallout 1 - they are useless trash, and rarely had any in Fallout 2 - they are better there, but I'm not a fan of babysitting them and the game is too easy if you have direct control. Funny, for me Fallout 1 and 2 is always single-character isometric.
I don't think that the difference is that big.
 

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