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RTwP is the Same as TB the Only Difference Being You Pick The T

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by RaptorRex888, Jun 15, 2019.

  1. Mustawd Arcane

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    I think you’re just being an autist now Fairfax. DQ not turn-based? Now that’s absurd.
     
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  2. undecaf Arcane Patron

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    Real time with pause is real time with pause. There’s no greater insult for it.
     
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  3. CappenVarra phantasmist Patron

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    satandamnit ad&d is phase-based, have you heard of weapon speed factors and initiative rolls and round segments - or do you just spam the attack button like it's red alert? when i buy larian a 2x4 will definitely say "you will learn" dripping blood of fools like you
     
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  4. Neanderthal Arcane

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    You pick the T? No I was born with the T.
     
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  5. laclongquan Arcane

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    This is the usual argument the bad tactical players present when they dont want to admit they are just bad at playing tactical battles.

    Real Time with Pause can be the neatest gameplay you can arrange. If you know how.

    I present specimen A: UFO Aftershock. and specimen B: UFO Afterlight.

    You can arrange every action to the smallest grain of time (tenths of seconds). In every battles.

    There's no such thing as a filler mob in both games. Each battle has a role of its own. If you want to ignore one battle, you damn well be ready to pay the price: the loss of a strategical location, the lost possibility of looting new equipments, etc... And of course, sometimes you just dont have it in you to pay the price of fighting a battle, even if we win it. Sometimes it's just better to ignore that battle, lose that territory, and later on return on a revenge fight.
     
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  6. Beastro Arcane

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    It's the same crap as saying Paradox Grand Strategy games are turned base like others are because every day is a turn. It's pedantry that completely misses the point, which I'm not surprised from this forum.
     
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  7. RaptorRex888 Educated

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    Just to clarify; by T I mean time, not turn. Sorry for the confusion.
     
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  8. Fairfax Arcane

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    The Codex doesn't know AD&D is phase-based. Most users have never played it, so they assume D&D has always been turn-based because that's what 3E is.
     
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  9. Jimmious Arcane Patron

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    This is actually in PoE2. When playing TB mode you can still pause any time you want :P
     
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  10. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much

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    Round-based RTwP is the worst RTwP there is because of how slow and artificial it feels.

    Rounds have no place in a real-time system. They're made for turn based. If your game is real time, don't force a round based system into it. If your system has rounds, make it turn based.

    Easy as that.
     
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  11. BING XI LAO Savant

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    Do you TB apologists actually not understand what an autopause is? Combat starts, the game pauses (automatically), so you assign an action or target to each character, and then every time one of your characters finishes a spell or kills their target, the game again automatically pauses. I can't remember if it was IE or PoE, but in one of those the game centres the camera on which character caused the autopause. If you find it hard to manage that you're a monumental retard.

    "Filler mobs are vastly harder to tolerate in TB than RTWP, this somehow reflects well on TB" - 4D CHESS

    TB is just RTWP with mandatory, extra, longer pauses. Excruciating. And no, making things happen sequentially doesn't add 'tactical depth', if anything it reduces it.

    And if RTWP somehow confuses you by being ''too fast'' or "a clusterfuck''.... what do you think the 'P' in RWTP stands for? Maybe use the pause function, you simians.
     
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  12. Darth Canoli Arbiter

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    And yet, while NwN is one of the worst cRPG engine ever built, KotOR games are quite enjoyable.
     
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  13. mondblut Arcane

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    For all practical purposes it's 18 years old, too.
     
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  14. BING XI LAO Savant

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    I want to kidnap a Turnbasedfag, lock them in the basement, and only give them food or water when they win a ranked match of Starcraft:Broodwar or DotA2
     
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  15. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Yeah,some TB fan do get really butthurt that they can't play anything else. Still both systems are pretty cool and have their pluses and minuses.
     
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  16. Curratum Savant

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    In short, the codex basically likes games that can be played and fully enjoyed by severely disabled people, because they are not games you actively play on your computer but abstractions of rules and numbers of the most horribly boring kind, the kind that requires 2 inputs every 5 minutes.
     
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  17. Jimmious Arcane Patron

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    Generally RPGaming is combined with number crunching and analyzing, not reaction times and clicking abilities, so yeah. When the latter becomes more important, the game becomes less "RPG"
     
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  18. Curratum Savant

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    I agree, but I also like at least some degree of manual dexterity involved, or rather active inputs that can change the outcome of events or combats. There needs to be some sort of balance. I tried getting into Wizardry and I just couldn't. The game seemed to lean so heavily on overthinking minute shit and planning and thinking about numbers that I just lost my entire sense of ADVENCHUR, which is the biggest draw of RPGs for me.
     
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  19. Black Angel Arcane

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    This just means proper RPGs like Fallout 1&2 aren't for you, mate.

    Doesn't mean proper RPGs are for 'severely disabled people' or have 'rules and numbers of the most boring kind'. It's enough that some people here would dismiss genuinely good games like Dark Souls as popamole, we don't need people like you dismissing turn-based games as boring and archaic.

    In fact, I'd say it's even worst crime than dismissing games like Dark Souls as popamole.
     
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  20. Curratum Savant

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    Dark Souls at least doesn't look like shit! :positive:
     
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  21. what am i doing Learned

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    The biggest problem with typical RTwP games, in my opinion, is that they take a turn-based game (generally, based off some form of PnP RPG or wargame), then make it real-time, but try to keep the turns (as "rounds" which make the gameplay really awkward and disjointed) even though they really don't work well as a concept in real-time gameplay, because they think they "have to" to make their audience happy. If you want to copy tabletop gameplay just make your game turn-based. If you want a real-time game, don't try to copy tabletop gameplay so directly.

    The pausing aspect isn't actually a problem at all, it's the whole "trying to have turns/rounds in a real-time game" thing that ends up being shit every time. There are real-time games that allow you to pause and make fine-tuned adjustments (Grand Strategy for example, as well as most RTS) and it works fine, but it's because they're made to be real-time and aren't trying to do a weird combination of turn-based and real-time.
     
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  22. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much

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    RTwP that actually works well:



    Note the timer for each action measuring the time in seconds up to 2 decimals. Rather than having actions take abstract "rounds", they take a certain amount of time, and having a character with higher reaction times can be a lifesaver because shooting and hitting 0.1 seconds before your enemy does can be the difference between victory or death.

    It's an actual real-time system where the fact that it's real time has an actual effect on the gameplay. Stats like agility make a huge difference because they actually make you attack faster (rather than the stupid one attack per "round" thing most RTwP games have). This also allows for more tactical variability than the simplistic round-based RTwP systems. It's kinda like the RTwP version of turn-based systems that use action points instead of action per turn.

    For that matter, action point systems will always be superior to one action per turn systems for turn based PC RPGs. One action per turn is great for pen and paper RPGs like D&D where it keeps the amount of recordkeeping low, but on a PC action points are just superior.
     
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  23. Black Angel Arcane

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    Filthy graphic whore
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  24. Lilura RPG Codex Dragon Lady

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    What an idiot you are. Anyway, yes, I like STATS and NUMBAZ. There is no crit like a ToEE crit.

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