Shadowrun Shadowrun Returns Pre-Release Thread

yeah....
how many times i had to abort mission cos of fucking lobstermans and depleted ammo ....

 

Great news about the editor. Already sketching some ideas and scenarios to develop with the editor.

 

Lol, toy.

 

Just saying... I've GM'ed Shadowrun for 3 different groups and played it under 5-6 different GMs.

We had unlimited ammo in Shadowrun PnP.

Every time. EVERY. SINGLE. FUCKING. TIME.

The houserule is you buy x bullets (100 for single-shot weapons, 1000 for automatics) and it is assumed you always have enough ammo to make it through a run and further ammo costs fall under your lifestyle expenses. Super expensive special ammo is exempt from this (APDS, Chemical rounds filled with nerve gas etc), but noone tracks regular ammo except to know when it is time to reload their current clip.


Because only someone suffering from chronic aspergers thinks it's fun to keep track of individual ammunition in shadowrun pen&paper.

 

Shit, I thought you guys were monocle and stuff.

Standard infantryman load for assault rifle is 6-7 magazines weighting 0.75 - 0.45 kg per magazine. Add to that the rest of the gear and you have pretty high weight.

 

see if I give a shit


The only retardo part of this whole 'argument' is that 'lololo nobody bothers counting bullets in pnp!!!', well, no shit, nobody does when your average lasgun has 60 shots in a clip and said clips cost 20gp. You have the computor to keep track of all your shit in a game, however, so this point is completely moot.

 

Yeah, this too. Suddenly the world is full of people who feel horribly inconvenienced by having ammo that is automatically counted by the computer.

 

Do the benefits of having weighted ammo really out do the negatives?

Personally I don't think so. Inventory tetris is tedious at best but a necessity in certain RPGs I suppose.

 

What the fuck does this have to do with inventory tetris?

 

The BAWWing seemed to start when people complained that Pen & Paper tracks bullets while the CRPG doesn't. I thought I'd set the record stright by pointing out that noone - not even the most aspied dumpshock regular - thinks tracking bullets in PnP is worthwhile. Noone uses the mechanic, so the CRPG reflects how the PnP is played in this aspect. We already know Awor cannot fathom this because good lord is he ever rainman material if I ever saw it, but I'm fairly certain most games haven't actually benefitted from clip management. I still have nightmares about unloading all my plasma weapons in UFO: Enemy Unknown near the end of the mission to conserve elerium. Dear god, the tedium.

 

Think a little, if you're going to have numerous ammo types individually weighted, a grid inventory would come hand in hand with that, especially if they had limited stacks, no?

Other than lists or context menus, how else do you manage that?

I just presumed grid was the best, m'bad.

 

So did they do that Reddit thing yet, or is it still upcoming ? (Or was it a different developer, lol)

 

That's Torment. No need for any Reddit Q&As here.

 

Standard answer... DLC! It will depend on the model they use and the pricing, but the potential for a screwup is high.

Also don't understand how we cannot import portraits, makes no sense from a module design perspective, reserving more portraits for DLC only is messed up.

 

Can't help but think that they cut the portrait feature just to be able to make more money off portrait DLC packs.

On another point, i think i've read somewhere in the last few days that they were adding gore to the game, any idea if that translates into only blood splatters or will there be a "fallout like" level of death animations (gore)? Haven't been following their forums much.

 

same here. I dont know enough to throw greed rants at them, ut in the end I dont care, what I've seen and read so far is worth my money, I will also buy happily everything they had to cut out, I think the editor alone is worth some dlc moneys

 

Screw DLC. I don't care who's selling, get an expansion together if you want my money.

 

Everything they said about the editor...

 

Blood pools. Chunky Salsa would be too expensive.

 

Damn dude, that hurts, I was planning to get my pledge upgraded to $125 level but this is just too much decline, I want to freaking explore by my own, not to be guided by an annoying Bethesda-style compass. Pfft, the good thing is that they seem pretty receptive to feedback, so if there is enough criticism about it they are probably going to get all that stuff fixed for the Berlin DLC, which I hope is at least as big as the original campaign.

And then there are the amazing looking mod-tools.