So, anyone playing League of Legends?

Why jungle Fiora if you can jungle Yi instead

 

Jungle Yi vs jungle Fiora, which is better and why:

Sustain - Fiora thanks to her passive, meditate is slow shit which slows down jungle clear time. Riposte mitigates some damage from large creeps.
Jungle clear time - Fiora because she has an AS steroid on E and doesn't need to stop between camps to heal up.
Moving really fast - Yi due to his ult, but Fiora has a movement speed steroid on a non-ult skill which also doubles as an AS steroid. Yi is still the master of dunking however.
Ganks - Fiora, because Yi pre-ult is fucked unless he somehow manages to get into alpha strike range. Fiora on the other hand has a dash she can use twice, a movement speed steroid pre-6. They're both heavily red buff reliant but Fiora has an easier time making sure they don't get away as she chases better without using her ult. And she doesn't need to wait for a long animation to finish before applying red buff's slow which is crucial during ganks. Also her ult applies on hit effects and heals her via lifesteal.
Splitpushing - Yi. Pushing and farming is ability is more or less equal, however Yi can escape more easily due to his ult.

tl;dr version Safer and faster jungle, better ganks due to a way faster gap closer (and having 3 abilities that help her close the distance including her ult unlike Yi's 2).

 

ur wrong, yi es #1

 

But Fiora has a fancy hat.


Don't underestimate the power of stylish headgear.

 

Yi has night vision goggles.

 

A pity those only make a difference on twisted treeline

 

Feeling really mixed about Draven.

On one hand I actually really like his personality as a champ. Clicking on him and hearing "Welcome to the League of Draven!" is always great, his quotes in general are all great and his Soul Reaver skin is amazing quality for its price... but...

I can't help but feel like you have to play a fucking axe-catching minigame in order to deal damage comparable to the higher end AD carries. While you can say "just be good and you'll rape" problem is that there is a lot of counterplay involved since you see where the axes can land. Hell, this may be the first champ that is countered to an extent by skillshots... (aside from stealth champs lol)

 

I've come to be great fan of jangling with Yi whenever I get jangler role for some odd reason. (I am horrible at it). He just feels really trolly. You're either worthless or wtf-deeps godmode.

Also, I disagree with Fiora having a faster clear time. It may be more consistent, but I have no doubts Yi can clear faster.

 

I haven't played him yet, but I did get to lane against him as AD a couple of times as Ezreal and Vayne.
His auto harass with the spinny-things (Q?) hurts a ton, and I think they way to go with him is full lane bully mode. I do feel that the axe-catching thing is sort of strange, and playing as Ezreal against him is not really hard, as you can tell where he's gonna go for easy harass. Maybe people will be better at not getting the "I MUST GET THAT AXE" feel in time, but it does take away his ability to bully in lane some.

 

I doubt it, remember wuju style's active has a severe drawback in not granting the passive damage boost when on cooldown. His only advantage to clear time is that he has AoE in the form of alpha strike which helps him clear wraiths significantly faster. But I doubt it makes killing the other camps any faster.

Still, for scientific purposes I will record and upload a test jungle run comparison as soon as I will finally have access to my desktop again. Same runes, same masteries, cloth+5 start. Wolves>blue>wolves>wraiths>golems>red. Expect the video to be posted tomorrow unless I will be desktop-blocked for another day.

 

Hypothetically, with a 100% proc rate on alpha strike, Yi has the fastest clear time of all!

 

What Ulm said.
- I am not sure if you're aware, but alpha strike has a 20% chance (up to 60% at rank 5 I believe) to deal 400 bonus damage to minions. Along with insta-gibbing the small camps, it does help clear-time to get a proc on the larger camps aswell. Aslo, E downtime is not much of an issue, as you'll usually time it so that it's down when you're running from wolves to wraiths or something like that, or youll just enjoy the passive part.

I've never played jungle Fiora though, and I rarely see her, but I do feel confident Yi can do it faster - not consistently though.

 

But Fiora has a sweet hat. The importance of this cannot be underestimated.

She's also marginally more useful in a fight. Her and yi both do comparative damage, but her ultimate (combined with a little lifesteal) is essentially a meditate that can't be interrupted, deals damage and allows her to stick to a squishy.
Fiora and Yi are about equal imo. Fiora is better at killing scrubs, yi is better at pushing turrets. If an equally-geared, levelled and skilled fiora and Yi met in the jungle, I'd say fiora would win the ensuing duel by a small margin.

 

If only because of riposte.

Juul I checked the clear times, yi was faster by 14 seconds. I'm a retard.

She still has better ganks.

 

YES. YES. I was right at something I know nothing about! This is a day to be celebrated.

On a serious note, I don't consider any of them very good junglers at all.

 

That's why you are a scrub

I'd bet on Yi (always bet on Yi ). Mainly because his steroids are a lot better, and he can meditate-troll through her ult.

 

Bear in mind I haven't tried this, but I imagine between 2 really good players it'd go a bit like this:

Yi/fiora run into each other, pop their steroids. Fiora (if she's really good) Ripostes the double strike. Once Fiora is at ~25% hp, unless yi gets a perfectly timed alpha strike off, she'll ult him to heal up and he'll meditate. This pretty much resets the fight. Except now both their attack speed cooldowns is on CD, Yi is missing wuju style, fiora still has her passive and riposte should almost be up again.

One thing I did when I counterjungled with fiora was dropping a ward near a living creep camp for vision before jumping the enemy near redbuff. then, if my attack on him went badly, I could use Q to walldash to golems/wraiths and run off with my MS boost

 

I was going to argue that Yi's W would negate Fiora ult aswell, but I just felt silly trying to seriously argue in favor of Yi generally.

 

I forgot to account for meditate armor bonus hurting fioras lifesteal. I'm still going to argue that if fiora ripostes the double strike, yi will be forced to meditate before fiora needs to ult because of fioras passive. Then she just needs to wait out meditate before ulting.

 

EDITED: (Ulm addressed this himself ^)

How will riposting double strike do anything. Wouldn't she just riposte one of the attacks?

 

BT + Vamp scepter + runes/masteries healed me for ~60-75% max HP in teamfights IIRC. It's been a while since I played LoL, even longer since I played Fiora and longer still since I jungled her.

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As for double strike, afaik the attack just deals double damage. I don't think it procs items like wit's twice (I may be wrong, I haven't played yi since sometime in early 2011). So riposte would block all of it.

If this isn't the case there's less pressure on fiora to pick the right attack to riposte, but I still think she'd win out by a very small margin barring lucky crits. It's still -1 autoattack, some magic damage on top plus her passive will heal her slightly faster and she can get a ghetto AA boost with her Q on top of what her E gives her. I think Yi would be forced to meditate in a right-click fight before fiora had to ult.

 

Honestly I don't know which would win, now I'm just curious about Yi's double stirke interaction with Fiora riposte.

AFAIK Yi's double strike's second hit procs on-hit, but cannot crit. I do believe he actually just does 2 really fast attacks but I could be wrong.

 

Double strike does two hits. Fiora would block only 1, just like MANtheon's shield does.

 

Hmmm. After careful deliberation I have reached the following conclusion:

Yi vs classic skin Fiora -> Yi wins
Yi vs musketeer Fiora -> Fiora wins 'cause epic hat.

 

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