So, how do we rate D:OS 2?

[Doktor Best]

Voted excellent. Yes, it has flaws, but that doesnt keep it from being one of the best rpgs of all time.

 

[YES!]

I voted even, because even though it does have a great challenge level and combat system balanced around tactician, the content is not that interesting to me, the chargen and chardev are not very good, and the spinning camera and pixel hunting nonsense is dumb. I don't know the best way to get away with stealing and the best way I found has been to port away or run away when they start looking, but that's pretty neat. But neat gimmicks can't carry a game. I think everything was improved from DOS 1 except the content and stupid camera spinning necessity.

I can't think of a game I'd give 100 to. All my favorites are about 80 in my head. A great game is between 60 and 80. This game is a 50 to me - really good but not good enough to sink its hooks into me and make me want to call into work to play. I give most of the console games the retards on this site love a -100 for comparison. There is only one RTwP game I can think of I'd rate above it, and that is Tyranny.

Since I will play this again for certain, and am waiting for some appealing mod made a long time from now that really gets me excited about chardev and chardev possibilities, this game could go up much higher. I didn't really get into Tyranny the first time I played it, but it hooked me my second attempt and I also rate the chardev in that game subpar. The combat in DOS 2 is clearly far, far superior to that in Tyranny but Tyranny definitely had good content.

The greatest improvement from DOS 1 to 2 is the portraits for male humans. This may be the first Larian game that has decent portraits for males where they can look like a normal non-pussy that isn't a long haired hippy goth emo.

 

[Iznaliu]

isn't a long haired hippy goth emo.

I understand that you don't want portraits that look like yourself; it can be a bit creepy sometimes.

 

[YES!]

isn't a long haired hippy goth emo.

I understand that you don't want portraits that look like yourself; it can be a bit creepy sometimes.

ZING!!!! That one hurt a lot. You are very good at insulting. Very, very good.

 

[Mark Richard]

Will let you know when I've finished two months from now.

The thing I love most about OS 1 and 2, and what I hope will be its lasting legacy in the minds of future RPG devs, is that it puts the core systems first and shows that they're allowed to be good. There have been many, many RPGs where the combat was boring, bad, half-broken, or had little interactivity besides minmaxing correctly at character creation. Instead of playing the game for the game, we were "meant" to play for the things which should be secondary window dressing- companions, romances, story, C&C, the writing, whatever. What's really impressive about OS2 is that if all of those secondary things were stripped away, and the game was nothing but a turn-based squad tactics game like nu-XCOM, OS2 would still be by far the better game, even though nu-XCOM is a AAA release that focuses on nothing but the combat.

Usually passable combat in an RPG is the best one can hope for, but for combat to be a standout feature? That's rarer than a talking squirrel. In real life I mean. In the actual game talking squirrels aren't rare at all.

 

[Murk]

P. Good but not 10/10, more like 9/11 because of some suspicious design choices that warrant further investigation.

The confusing part isn't new shit they did that didn't turn out great but that they removed previously working stuff.

 

[Iznaliu]

because of some suspicious design choices that warrant further investigation

I doubt they made shitty choices to further any agenda.

 

[Murk]

because of some suspicious design choices that warrant further investigation

I doubt they made shitty choices to further any agenda.

It was just a plaid out meme joke m8.

 

[Quillon]

Its uneven but better than even.

 

[HoboForEternity]

Kinda uneven

Good=

Core combat
Encounter design
Map content
Quest design

Bad=
Voices mostly
Story and voice
Armor

Retarted:
Loot scaling/itemization

 

[Cyberarmy]

Good

 

[PrettyDeadman]

I voted even on condition that most other rpgs should ne rated even lower (or not even an rpg).

 

[Tacgnol]

I voted good, as I think the good outweighs the negative generally.

I'm sure some of the more annoying mechanics can be fixed by mods.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

I give most of the console games the retards on this site love a -100 for comparison. but Tyranny definitely had good content.

 

[Prime Junta]

DOS2 is the living definition of "regression to the mean."

It improves in some areas where DOS1 fell flat (theme-park worldbuilding, dopey writing, one-dimensional character-building) while taking great strides backwards in areas where it excelled (combat, mostly). It's not bad mind, just play-it-safe goon-friendly predictable, but if this is GOTY material the industry is in sorry shape. Voted "uneven" because it's still bad in the major ways DOS1 was bad (e.g. level-locked loot).

 

[Grumpy Grognard]

because of some suspicious design choices that warrant further investigation

I doubt they made shitty choices to further any agenda.

It was just a plaid out meme joke m8.

That went straight to plaid over someone's head...

 

[polo]

10/10, no flaws, i didn't read but i saw the metacritic score.™

 

[Luckmann]

It's really good, but it has numerous minor flaws that stops it from being truly excellent, and a small number of gargantuan flaws that ruin the experience and stops the greatest aspects of the game from shining through.

7/10

 

[Lhynn]

Votes should be public.

 

[Iznaliu]

(e.g. level-locked loot).

I don't think Sven will change this, not even at gunpoint.

 

[Black]

What is this reddit-tier "we" you speak of?

 

[Iznaliu]

What is this reddit-tier "we" you speak of?

Use the quest compass.

 

[Monkeysattva]

Jesus Christ, it's over, Codex is definitely infested. Gotta burn it all down

 

[muds_animal_friend]

If the rest of the game was up to the same standards as Reaper's Eye then D:OS II would be hyperbole/10 for me. At that point in the game its design flaws (esp. the stat bloat) aren't so apparent, the world density feels like an isometric Gothic 2, and the systems-uber-alles design philosophy is at its most prominent. Some random dudebro youtube video I chanced across made a good point about systems-uber-alles regarding quests (I paraphrase): In D:OS you're initially tasked with solving an inane murder mystery which involves talking to all the relevant NPCs (boring); in D:OS II you're initially tasked with escaping Fort Joy which involves multiple solutions using the various game systems as you see fit (interesting).

For me it's a great game that gradually devolves into a mediocre one.

 

[Quillon]

the world density

Too fookin dense, such pacing + bugged quests = completionist's nightmare.