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Game News Starbreeze cancel OtherSide's System Shock 3 publishing deal and demand their money back

Discussion in 'RPG News & Content' started by Infinitron, Feb 12, 2019 at 1:14 AM.

  1. Curratum Learned

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    They're not letting anyone do anything, if the crooks at Otherside are to be believed, Spector and his team have been working on SS3 for close to e year now, they probably won't just scrap that and take their losses.
     
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  2. Angthoron Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Here's my mandatory Fuck Ken Levine entry.
     
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  3. Zep Zepo Titties and Beer Patron Dumbfuck Repressed Homosexual

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    Tagged for future LOLZ.

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  4. taxalot I request a spice shipment immediately. Patron

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    It's always sad when people lose their jobs.

    There are probably people with actual talent and skills who worked on Underworld Ascendant. And now their resume is going to be "Otherside : Underworld Ascendant" and future employers will be like "Oh.".
     
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  5. vorvek Savant Patron

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    To be honest, I forgot I even played Underworld Ascendant. Why would anyone want a System Shock 3 made by the same people that gave us that stillborn after a couple of years of showing how to literally make no progress from that Kickstarter pitch, is beyond me.
     
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  6. Maculo Prophet

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    Interesting, I viewed this press release as an attempt to save face in front of creditors and sound like Starbreeze dictated the terms Otherside. Otherwise, the sale eventually would be disclosed that they sold an asset in the midst of a bankruptcy, and I imagine that has the potential to piss of investors and/or creditors. Accordingly, one might as well pretend he got the better part of the deal to a creditor. Similarly, I recall Activision is/was facing a lawsuit from an investor for transferring rights to Destiny back to Bungie.

    In my view, Starbreeze took the best worst possible deal for itself and not Otherside. Otherside received the SS rights in exchange for development costs, which may not be market value. If Starbreeze was entitled to recoup costs, then I cannot imagine why it would cede the rights to Otherside, unless it desperately needed the money. Furthermore, in my experience, commercial contracts typically provide that the prevailing party can seek reimbursement for legal fees and costs from the loser in litigation.

    "We sold our intellectual property to recoup just development costs, but actually we had them by the balls the entire time. See Mr. Creditor, we sure showed Otherside Entertainment...plz don't sue us" That is how I read this press release.
     
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  7. Excommunicator Arcane

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    Curse implies it's not their own fault
     
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  8. Trans-Financial-Man Educated

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    People keep forgeting, most of the people working at this company are fresh out of college. They were hired on the cheap by the older guys because they thought they could impart experience and nostalga through some kind of grimey neckbeard photosynthisis.
     
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  9. Mortmal Arcane

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    Still i think enthusiast amateurs could have done a better job at making an underworld sucessor. Arx fatalis devs were not really experienced either back then, and this is likely to be the true ultima underworld 3 forever now.
     
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  10. Junmarko Ravioli di canguro Patron

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    The team clearly needs a lot of time to work on these, yet they've gone with smaller publishers that don't have the experience + funding to support them in this, so they bail. "Immersive Sims" have a chaotic history, even bigger publishers have had no clue how to manage them properly. You have successful cases like the Deus Ex series, decent funding + creative freedom, yet the end result is still never good enough to a large publisher - so further installments are watered down, or just put on ice.

    I think Otherside were betting on this happening, after Ascendant was pushed out under-cooked. Looks like they are holding out for a veteran publisher with experience in backing + developing these games. Not many of those.

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  11. theSavant Prophet

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    I don't know... doesn't seem like an exception. Almost every (halfway interesting) kickstarter game project felt cursed after a while... and ended up so.
     
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  12. Mustawd Arcane

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    Yah. I was just talking about how agreements many times have these opportunities for one party to force another party to do something they likely wouldn’t wan to do.
     
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  13. Maggot meme king

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    If Arkane made Prey with more than 4 weapons, added ammo types, and more enemy variety it would make for a good SS3.
     
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  14. BEvers I'm forever blowing

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  15. Maculo Prophet

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    Definitely, got to love the strenuous contingency provisions. The language and tone of this press release just appears to be a company trying to swing its dick around after being tricked into putting icy-hot on its balls.
     
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  16. BEvers I'm forever blowing

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  17. toro Arcane

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    Brilliant. They can skip the KS's campaign and building the game and get straight to bankruptcy.
     
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  18. vortex . Thx Arbiter

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    What is Raf Colantonio doing? SS3 could be his kind of game.
     
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  19. toro Arcane

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  20. Space Nugget Educated

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    It wouldn't surprise me if he gets an "additional design by" or "design consultant" credit in the game (if it ever gets released, that is). :salute:
     
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  21. HoboForEternity In every buttons you press Patron

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  22. rusty_shackleford Magister

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    again, devs massively overrate how much backers care about rewards
    if we're giving you money that means we want the fucking game, not some stupid shirt.
     
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  23. glass blackbird Learned Patron

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    I do think its funny they basically admit UA was a trashfire where they promised things that aren't possible
     
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  24. Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Arbiter

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    Oh, right. Great job polishing these demos and builds, by the way!

    Somehow I missed their "mea culpa" letter in the past months.
    Jesus Christ, it's downright insulting in some passages. "Yeah, yeah, we failed you, but it's mostly because you didn't get what we were actually going for."
    What a load of bullshit. Your game was an unmitigated disaster that felt horrible at the most basic level merely taking control of character, few seconds into action, and making display of so much incompetence not even a complete lack of funding could plausibly justify from an alleged team of professionals.
    Even amateurish unpaid modders over the years managed to release stuff that felt far more polished and complex than your work.
     
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  25. ciox Learned

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