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Stellaris - Paradox new sci-fi grand strategy game

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by Perkel, Aug 6, 2015.

  1. Jimmious Arcane Patron

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    Man the BUTTHURT in the Stellaris forum is glorious. People really like to LARP their favorite scifi series ingame apparently and the different FTL travel methods were vital for that
     
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  2. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Can't really blame them. Paradox is removing game features and the feature they are removing is probably the most important feature with regards to empire uniqueness and game replayability. Aside from what hyperdrive you use the only real decision that matters is whether you go for research ("tall") or minerals ("smart"), all of the other empire customization options are about focusing on one of those two. I guess games shouldn't be released in an early alpha state where major features might need to be scrapped?
     
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  3. Jimmious Arcane Patron

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    I kinda agree but simultaneously the game simply didn't work with all these funky FTL travel systems and so on. I really dont think there was a way to improve the tremendously boring combat other than this
     
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  4. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    The game "worked" just fine. To draw an analogy, Checkers "works" as a game, Chess is a better game, but plenty of people still like to play Checkers.

    I agree that the new FTL setup creates a better overall game but it also creates a new game and it's not invalid to like the old one. It's a fundamentally different type of change from e.g. CK2 adding in that coaltion bullshit (which was eventually disablable in options anyway!)

    Stellaris combat is unsalvageable, anyone who thinks FTL has anything to do with the problems is delusional.
     
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  5. thesheeep Arcane

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    I'm having fun right now, LARPing my way through the Star Trek mod as the ruthless Sheliak Corporate.
    And what kind of intelligent life do I meet first?
    Ferengi :?
     
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  6. ThisNameIsFree Learned

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    They have a point thought. In current state Stellaris only good for LARPing purposes :lol:
     
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  7. Grif Learned

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    More or less. But at least it's a very forgiving sandbox.
     
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  8. MadMaxHellfire Arcane

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    all they had to do was to force travels through the nearest ftl inhibitor, as citadels do in eu4. after all if good placing of inhibitors fucks up your invasions plans it's all the defenders merit.
    fuck removing fun =_=
     
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  9. Prime Junta Tinker Patron Vatnik

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    Combat is unsalvageable but warfare isn’t. I approve of this change.
     
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  10. Jason Liang Arcane

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    I read through that whole post. I can understand why they would change Wormholes, the Wormhole generator implementation was stupid to begin with. But why get rid of warp drives? They're just being lazy.

    Warp+Hyperlane seems like the obvious win-win.

    Also, the obvious way to differentiate Wormholes from Hyperlanes is to make all Wormholes (even the natural ones) one-way only. Enter at your own risk.
     
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  11. Hellion Cipher

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    Sneak peek of the upcoming War Goals system:



    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    inb4 space diplomats required to fabricate claims on systems?
     
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  13. thesheeep Arcane

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    "I'm a space diplomat!"
     
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  14. Alexios Savant Patron

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    dead fucking game lmao
     
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  15. Raghar Arcane

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    You can use the old pirated version.
     
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  16. trais Arcane Patron

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    Most likely just pay influence for instant claim. Resource management, you see, choices and consequences. Deep (derp) gameplay, such improvements, much wow.
     
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  17. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Here I was expecting it just to be a "select provinces that you'd be interested in" system like how EU4 handles provinces of interest (which lets you see where the AI is angry about expanding and where it wants to blob). But requiring influence to conquer is definitely the kind of shit Paradox would add to slow down expansion. If that's it then Influence is now literally paper mana.
     
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  18. Space Satan Arcane

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    Setting demands on victory at least will make game interesting. EUIV had many flaws but war demand system is not one of them
     
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  19. trais Arcane Patron

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    In EU you're not bound by claims, you can demand whatever territory you want in peace "negotiations". In EU4 specifically, claims are basically casi belli + slightly less expensive coring afterwards. Might be the same here, but I have a suspicion that it won't.
     
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  20. Jason Liang Arcane

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    Yeah I think it's a terrible idea. Let Stelllaris be Stellaris, not CK2/ EU IV in space. Like the way Alpha Centauri ended up its own unique thing, not "Civ II in space."
     
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  21. Space Satan Arcane

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    Current Stellaris is a piece of boring and tedious shit.
     
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  22. Jason Liang Arcane

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    So let's work on that. How to make the boring and tedious parts interesting and stimulating?

    Granted I haven't played Stellaris in over a year, but I think one problem with Stellaris is that all your threats are narratively external, when what has worked for CK and EU is to make internal threats credible.

    As your empire expands, you make some parts autonomous, but eventually those autonomous parts desire great independence, etc...

    Stellaris' problem is it lacks funk.

    At some point, it needs a moment where the player realizes that they're actually the Galactic Empire.
     
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  23. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    It was and always will be this,a boring shit. The core of the game is fucked up by a retarded faggot without any imagination. There is no hope for the game.
     
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  24. Mark.L.Joy Savant

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    Mods will fix it.
     
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  25. Space Satan Arcane

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    now we have war exhaustion and attrition
    [​IMG]
     
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