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Stellaris - Paradox new sci-fi grand strategy game

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by Perkel, Aug 6, 2015.

  1. whatevername Arcane

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    Now I know why Luke Skywalker destroyed the Death Star in SWIV while flying a tiny fighter. After (almost?) everyone in the rebel squadron was destroyed, the "Force Disparity Combat Bonus" of +9001% was applied to him. That's what Obi Wan meant by constantly saying "may the Force be with you". They shortened it from "may the Force Disparity Combat Bonus be with you" so the audience wouldn't puke.
    It all makes sense now.
     
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  2. Lightsinthesky Arcane

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    Doesn't this just shift the meta away from Corvette Spam to Battleship spam?
     
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  3. Thane Solus Arcane

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    First 2-3 hours in this game were quite fun, after that, is shit. Is the most common phrase i hear about the game.

    Its like, this game was made for reviewers and to scam people into buying it :))) Oh fuck, i actually bought the standard edition back then.

    GG Paradox!
     
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  4. Alfgart Augur Patron

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    This patch sounds worse with every new DD
     
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  5. Inf0mercial Learned

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    My thought process is depending on at what level that buff kicks in my thought is star port systems are going to be atrocious to attacks and forts unless in their radius they negate the buff, coz starports are now meant to be super beefy so a 20-30k starport combined with some forts should be able to tip the scales hard enough going half fleet strength with those fire rate buffs combined with def system buffs will be brutal to attack into.

    Combined with def war doctrine and i can see fire rates going sky high. If they negate the buff near starports or forts i can see some hilarity when building static D is worse for you than simply not building any at all, save the money and invest in your economy and ships.
     
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  6. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Clearly Paradox believes in the law of Conservation of Ninjutsu.

    But seriously what the fuck. Every RTS in history has had to deal with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanchester's_laws, this is the first time I've seen such a blunt and cheap attempt to break it.

    Step 1: Build a space port
    Step 2: Get attacked
    Step 3: Be winning, but mistakenly send 50 corvettes in to help
    Step 4: Lose because you buffed the enemy ships.
     
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  7. MasterSmithFandango Arcane

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    Why don't they take a hint from HOI - combined arms bonus. Better balanced fleets perform better, and supply/frontage discourages doomstacking.
     
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  8. Zboj Lamignat Arcane

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    Combined arms bonus doesn't give you the "lol weaker guize can into winning too (btw we're from sweden)" edge they are looking for and I guess having frontage penalties in space is too arbitrary even for these mastermind geniuses.
     
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  9. Jimmious Arcane Patron

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    Some of these new mechanics sound very gamey indeed (especially this "Force Disparity") but in all honesty, if they make the combat PLAY much better and the game to have a more coherent tactical feel, then I don't care.
     
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  10. Norfleet Moderator

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    Maybe they should give the outmassed force a bonus to running like cheap paint instead, so that the fewer there are, the more effectively they can run like cheap paint.
     
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  11. darkpatriot Arcane

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    Why did they decide on magically boosting the smaller force rather than penalizing the larger force as would make sense intuitively?

    Assuming they are willing to do more than just penalty based on a fleet being too large, friendly fire being a possibility along with command inefficiency possibly resulting in ships doing non-efficient actions like failing to fire (maybe explained by the ship not orienting correctly to fire its weapons), moving away from battle, possibly moving closer to battle if it is a ship that is supposed to keep it's distance, or inefficient targeting (either concentrating too much fire on a single target above what is needed to destroy it wasting DPS, dispersing fire too much resulting in enemy ships not getting removed as quickly, or just firing weapons at a ship they are inefficient against) would be a more intuitive way of causing doomstacks to take more damage rather than magically boosting the fire rate of the smaller side.

    Although I guess that would involve changing the AI for ships and maybe that would cause too big a performance hit or they don't want to spend the effort developing the ship AI beyond the simplistic AI they currently have.
     
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  12. uaciaut Savant

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    I get that combat is shit and all but is this worth buying for any of its other aspects (e.g. research, diplomacy, exploration, etc)?
     
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  13. Grif Learned

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    Nope. Diplomacy is dry as cardboard, the AI aren't all that interesting. Research is just a lottery of 3 random research path each time. Might have made for interesting choices if they actually went the SotS route and gave you a chance of not even getting a tech through the research route. By nah, you eventually get everything and most of the time it's just a +% effect anyway.

    Exploration is quite good, I admit. They captured the sense of exploring a new galaxy for the first time reasonably well, with anomalies, surveys and random events. That's where the famous Stellaris honeymoon comes in.
     
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  14. kris Arcane

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    Wasnt the battle 4 against two by then? And when he took the shoot on the death star it was really 2 on 1 for the rebels as han took out three imperial vessels with one shot, thats what i call shooting. Not that golf shot by Luke on a stationary target
     
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  15. Stavrophore Learned

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    Corvettes should act as a screen for bigger ships -so enemy capitals will have their accuracy decreased or have worse positioning factor which would make them easier to hit and small weaponry[large guns still able to fire at enemy capitals] tied to fight against corvettes
     
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  16. Blaine Cis-Het Oppressor Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
    Distant Worlds: Universe is on sale for $20 at GOG, can't go wrong with that unless you have serious issues with steep learning curves and RTFM.

    This thread is a 100-plus-page showcase of people who have serious issues with steep learning curves, are easily swayed by pretty graphics, and believe that Paradox... ah, fuck it:

    This thread is [​IMG], Codex Edition. I'll just leave it at that. This obviously doesn't apply to those of you who are here to ridicule the shameless unwashed for enjoying decline. You guys are doing a good job!

    There's really no excuse for decline-wallowing when it comes to the 4X genre, since they're incredibly replayable and you can simply return to 20-year-old 4X games and have a great time. There's not a single reason to play Stellaris except muh graphics and muh "Paradox made a good game one time so this must be good, too." One glance at the UI of this game is all it takes to see the pacifier and diaper factor; at least, it is for anyone who's actually played a 4X with some appreciable complexity and deep mechanics.
     
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  17. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Um... the last 50+ pages is codexers saying game is irredeemably shit tho

    I guess some people rekindle hope for the new dlc like they gave fallout 4 a chance
     
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  18. Blaine Cis-Het Oppressor Patron

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    That phenomenon occurs in virtually every single game-dedicated thread here on the Codex, with very few exceptions. Stellaris has been out for a while, so naturally we're deep into "it's shit" territory.

    After a while, one learns to read between the lines. There's a lot of posturing going on here, but most of these guys fucked the fat chick while completely sober and fully aware that she had a feminine penis, and only now are trying to pretend that they were drunk and had no idea.
     
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  19. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Distant Worlds is pretty simplistic and has virtually no replayability. It's an alright game but far from incline.
     
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  20. Space Satan Arcane

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    Stellaris, with all its flaws and shitty design is by far the best sci-fi 4x since MoOII for the time being. With Endless Space 2 coming dangerously close but failing due to retarded design.
     
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  21. Jimmious Arcane Patron

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    Yep. It has a lot of issues but it's still the most fun after MoO2.
    I don't agree about Endless Space 2 though, found it way too abstract for my liking.

    Also Distant Worlds... You don't only have to get past the RTFM part of it, you also have to get past the horrid UI....and then realize that RTFM is not even enough since there are lots of functionalities hidden behind weird buttons and lists, without any documentation. So back to the drawing board of internet wikis and so on.
    Yeah well, at some point you'll understand that the time you need to learn to play the game properly is equivalent to the time it would take you to finish ,let's say, Fallout 1. I don't have that time to spend to learn a game any more. For anyone that does, DW is probably the best space 4X out there.
     
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  22. Trash Pointing and laughing.

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    Stellaris still misses a very important aspect of any X4 game. Atmosphere. Despite all the different alien portraits and fun little event chains, it still feels lifeless. Aliens aren't alien. They are just opponent X with creed Y and rating Z. Add lacklustre gameplay and it just becomes boring. Sure it's big but with that they made the same mistake Pdox made with their CK2 expansions. Adding more shit instead of making sure that what you get works. More is less and all that.
     
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  23. Jimmious Arcane Patron

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    New DD about Fleets (cool one imo):

    Show Spoiler
     
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  24. Sranchammer Arcane

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    There should be no aliens at all, except through crisis events or mid-end game tech a la AI
     
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  25. Trash Pointing and laughing.

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    Then you'd just have EU4 and not a space opera game. What fun is colonizing space when you can't put your jackboot/tentacle upon the back of the filthy xenos?
     
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