Official Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

From Software The Dark Souls II Megathread™

Discussion in 'jRPG Weeaboo Discussion' started by felipepepe, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. Shadenuat Arcane

    Shadenuat
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2011
    Messages:
    9,899
    Location:
    Russia
    Point is, bosses in DS1 were more grotesque, and so more interesting to look at and fight with.
     
    ^ Top  
  2. Kanedias Savant

    Kanedias
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    574
    I found more proof about the Lost Bastille being moved mid-development and it not belonging on the spot it occupies now.

     
    • Brofist Brofist x 3
    ^ Top  
  3. Murk Arcane

    Murk
    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2008
    Messages:
    12,633
    But that (being grotesque) was never the end-goal itself =(

    I agree with those, basically summed up, think the first game had better direction, cohesion, internal consistency, and better "fluff" all around -- whether with item placement, boss design, location connectivity, or npc interaction.

    The second games is still great and improves in some areas, but the overall experience is less magical.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 5
    ^ Top  
  4. Cowboy Moment Arcane

    Cowboy Moment
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,394
    I'm planning to make a longer post about this once I actually finish the game, but my current feeling is that it's simply too big for its own good. To use Grunker's metaphor, DaS2 has more butter than DaS1, but it's also spread over more bread, and the overall experience feels "thinner". For instance, the bosses are significantly more varied overall, but there are so many, that they only get at most one "good idea", and generally have somewhat limited movesets.
     
    ^ Top  
  5. abija Prophet

    abija
    Joined:
    May 21, 2011
    Messages:
    1,816
    Show Spoiler
    Was pretty cool when I lit a torch and all the underwater mobs swarmed at me
     
    ^ Top  
  6. praetor Arcane

    praetor
    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2009
    Messages:
    2,955
    Location:
    Vhoorl
    broken shit in PvP, episode #142:

    backstep parry is "a thing". by pressing circle and L2 at the same time you pretty much "leave" the parry hitbox in front of you while enjoying the plentiful backstep i-frames... all the reward of the parry, with severely reduced risks. and it's piss-easy to pull off
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    ^ Top  
  7. Stonewolf Savant

    Stonewolf
    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2013
    Messages:
    290
    Yeah, seems like they had a lot of chaos going on during the production. Look at this announcement trailer



    The entire game I was fucking expecting to finally encounter those guys in white masks, which look badass in the trailer, or have that fight on snowy peak with a dragon protecting his nest. I mean to do something memorable.

    Turns out the white masks dudes got turned into filler content in Huntsman Copse, and it took me a bit of research to even realize that those trash mobs in the Copse actually are those guys I was looking forward to. And the dragon, well, got cut/turned into Ancient Dragon garbage with the entire location altogether.
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2014
    ^ Top  
  8. Shadenuat Arcane

    Shadenuat
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2011
    Messages:
    9,899
    Location:
    Russia
    Eh, for me there wasn't anything memorable in DS2, I'd say the only place where I felt genuine emotion was underground shrine with Demon of Song. The secret of a song you hear, and singers slowly turning undead, and the cage in a castle were all good. And boss was what I'd call a boss with an idea, not just a checkpoint.
    Bonus points for me almost falling from my chair after
    Show Spoiler
    you unlock singer's cage with a key and "touch" her and she just fades away, but when you go back to elevator and ride down suddenly the song starts again with more real voice, like she's behind your shoulder
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  9. gaudaost Arcane

    gaudaost
    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2012
    Messages:
    6,409
    Wait is black seperation crystal a reusable item, like the white soap stone? I thought it was single use, but I've only found one in the entire game.

    Also, if I use it, do anybody know if it adds to this hidden counter, that if high enough, makes me unable to coop, but still make me invadable?

    Also I joined blue bros, now how do I use the blue stone? I even equipped the ring, and it's still grayed out. And before you ask, yes, I am in a zone where PVP is possible.
     
    ^ Top  
  10. DragoFireheart all caps, rainbow colors, SOMETHING.

    DragoFireheart
    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2007
    Messages:
    23,706
    Reusable.

    No. It's only if you D/C or turn off your system like a loser virgin you get penalized. At worst, black crystaling will get you some hate mail.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  11. gaudaost Arcane

    gaudaost
    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2012
    Messages:
    6,409
    Cool, then I guess it's black crystal every time an invasion is particularly inconvenient then.
     
    ^ Top  
  12. DragoFireheart all caps, rainbow colors, SOMETHING.

    DragoFireheart
    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2007
    Messages:
    23,706
    Black Crystalling will not remove the invader.
     
    ^ Top  
  13. praetor Arcane

    praetor
    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2009
    Messages:
    2,955
    Location:
    Vhoorl
    you cannot banish invaders with the black crystal, only summons (whites, sunbros, and probably reds through the red stone? maybe dragonbros?)

    the one-time use item drago is referring is the Bone of order, not black separation crystal
     
    ^ Top  
  14. gaudaost Arcane

    gaudaost
    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2012
    Messages:
    6,409
    WHAT THE FUCK??????? I just got invaded, tried to use the black seperation crystal, "nobody to exile". Ok, I'm probably too far away, stood right above him "nobody to exile", did a drop attack on him, used it right next to him, "nobody to exile", and then he stun locked me and killed me, what the fuck is this broken shit?

    *edit* Aha, where can I get these bones?
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  
  15. DragoFireheart all caps, rainbow colors, SOMETHING.

    DragoFireheart
    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2007
    Messages:
    23,706
    I was not talking about the Bone of Order really, but yes, that item is one use only.
     
    ^ Top  
  16. DragoFireheart all caps, rainbow colors, SOMETHING.

    DragoFireheart
    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2007
    Messages:
    23,706
    The bones will not remove invaders.

    You only get one Bone.

    The only ways to get rid of invaders is to:

    A. Enter a fog door.
    B. Kill the invader.
    C. Wait long enough for them to go away.
    D. Die.
     
    ^ Top  
  17. Stonewolf Savant

    Stonewolf
    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2013
    Messages:
    290
    You cant use it to exile invaders, u casul, its for sending back friendly summons/going back to your world.
     
    ^ Top  
  18. Surf Solar cannot into womynz

    Surf Solar
    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2011
    Messages:
    8,628
    Was probably my fault for telling him to use that crystal. :P I've never used it on a red invader, but figured it works.

    Hey, you could use that (consumable) giant seed thingy. It makes the enemies aggro against the invader.

    But seriously. Man up and give the invaders a proper fight.

    I kinda wish I would get as many invadees as gaudaost is apparently getting though. In all my probably 50 hours now? I have been getting like, 5 red invaders or so :/
     
    ^ Top  
  19. gaudaost Arcane

    gaudaost
    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2012
    Messages:
    6,409
    I still don't understand how I can use the blue stone. I am in the blue sentinels covenant, I'm wearing the bluebro ring, but still it's greyed out, I can't use it.

    I also have another question, when wearing the blue sentinel ring, will I only get summoned for people getting invaded in the same zone?
     
    ^ Top  
  20. Stonewolf Savant

    Stonewolf
    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2013
    Messages:
    290
    Its rather common sense that it doesnt work that way.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  21. meanwhileInPoland Arcane

    meanwhileInPoland
    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2011
    Messages:
    2,183
    nope you can get summoned to any area. and how about you turn human you filthy casual and than use blue orb?
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  22. gaudaost Arcane

    gaudaost
    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2012
    Messages:
    6,409
    If you sin more (kill NPCs, invade other players), you should have a higher chance of getting invaded. I've never sinned once though, to my knowledge, so it's pretty strange. Also supposedly you should have a bigger chance of getting invaded while having summoned bros, but this hasn't happened to me once, just when I'm playing alone and when I'm testing shit out (where I of course have no time to change back to my normal gear)
     
    ^ Top  
  23. Surf Solar cannot into womynz

    Surf Solar
    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2011
    Messages:
    8,628
    Good luck actually finding someone to invade though. I have tried it out numerous times, and the matchmaking never found someone.
     
    ^ Top  
  24. DragoFireheart all caps, rainbow colors, SOMETHING.

    DragoFireheart
    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2007
    Messages:
    23,706
    Anytime you kill anything as a red phantom counts as sin.

    ANY TIME. orb, soap stone, invading NPCs...
     
    ^ Top  
  25. Jaedar Arcane Patron

    Jaedar
    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2009
    Messages:
    6,236
    Project: Eternity Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    You probably need to be alive. Other than that, I don't know.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top