The Guild Wars 2 Thread

im fucking bored

 

No damage control needed. GW2 is exactly what a.net said it would be. It's a pretty conservative MMORPG. The PvE in GW2 is simply a bigger and better version of GW1 PvE. The PvP is there, if it holds up to GW1 standards is a little early to tell. Overall, Guild Wars 2 is ... *drumroll* ... Guild Wars.

 

yeah but it's not like you actually have to buy keys to open the chests. they are damn easy to get, not to mention that achievement chests also give cash shop items.
if it wasn't for gw1, this would be the user friendliest mmorpg with a chash shop ever.

 

More casual than a Friday at Google HQ?

They know their audience at least.

 

you have been conditioned too much by shitty grind jrpgs and mmos if you equate user friendly with casual.

 

Probably. The last MMO I put any real time into was EQ w/ scars of velious.

But the gameplay of GW2 just looks dead simple. Maybe it's just the player.

There doesn't seem to be a sweet spot in MMO between grindy and sunday stroll.

 

Its Teen (T) game and it shows for its target audience. Or grown-ups who stuck at development for various reasons in teen age.

Be it "streamlined" cutscenes, "user-friendly" storyline and setting, "relaxing" gameplay.

I carefully avoided words: primitive, dumbed down, lowest common denominator, hyped - so i hope noone gets aggro on me.

p.s.

/breifist

 

chess and go are rated everyone unless somebody forcefully fucks them up. how about an actual argument, because correlation of rating with quality in a game about gameplay is fucking retarded. this isn't tor where the main focus is story instead of gameplay, and therefor the rating actually contains a hint of what to expect.

streamlined cutscenes would be a good thing, since that would be the next best thing to no cutscenes at all.
user friendly storyline and setting would be a good thing too, since that would mean that they are interactive and not simply static. last but not least, there's nothing wrong with relaxing gameplay, but gw2's really ain't most of the time. it is only relaxing in the sense that it is devoid of the bad kind of frustration, like having to spend watching a griffon's ass for half an hour so you can meet up with some friends to spend 15 minutes with them.

you carefully avoided making sense or bringing up concrete points of critique as well.

let's see... primitive cutscenes? wouldn't be a bad thing. the main problem with the current ones is that they aren't. primitive setting or storyline? unheard of in the realm of fantasy, and nobody cares, since there's enough subtle difference with the hint of steam- and magipunk and nobody plays this kind of game for setting and plot (just look at how badly tsw failed). primitive gameplay? it isn't. positioning plays a big role depending on what skills you use, the trait lines and trait slots are a better and more deep attribute system than simple linear scaling with gear/levels in modern games. crafting is also far from being primitive due to large number of components and freeform experimentation.

dumbed down.. redundant, already contained in primitive.

lowest common denominator? uh, wat? that would imply a more restrictive rating than teen due to lots of tits and ass and a game purely for carebears and their raids, instead of a strong structured pvp and wvwvw focus.

tl;dr: bring up some concrete points that make sense or shut the fuck up.

 

I'm not even having much fun and whisper still sounds like a tryhard

 

you're not? hmm, have you tried turning it on and off agai.. err i mean a different class or going to an area 2 levels above your actual, or pvpv, for that matter?

 

Stopped reading after this line.

Would be better to have no cutscenes at all, than those in GW2.

They are just so bad in both quality of art/implementation and creativity of texts muches worse of those in jrpg genre (10 years old probably can tell better story for quest than those designed).


You would say cutscenes and stories behind quests do not matter at all. I myself skipped most of quest introes/didnt read texts in MMO. Quite surprising in Secret world devs show that they can do good enough stories and texts good enough to be read. Maybe i shouldnt play SW before GW2. Comparing beautiful text descriptions from SW to typical and bland fantasies of 10 year olds, who probably were writers for GW2 cutscenes, get boring fast.

 

Play multiple classes, almost always in harder areas, started both pvp types today... Just not that impressed. Havent given up on it yet but i was hoping for more tbh.
To be fair ive never enjoyed a mmo for long. I was just hoping this was different. Doesnt seem to be. It may get more interesting though... Guess ill find out or fall asleep trying

 

if you want a different experience than most mmos, either try gw1, or try something entirely more different like a tale in the desert... but yeah, gw2 isn't it, it's just the ideas behind theme park mmos refined into something that isn't a theme park mmo anymore but still feels similar.

no shit sherlock:

maybe i'm alone in this, but to me the most important aspect of an mmo is interaction with others and the second most important one is expression of character or self. any static story structure imposed on an mmo runs counter to its strengths and goals, which is why the qualitative epitome of mmorpgs is something sandboxy like ultima and why gameplay in mmos is way more important than any form of story, unlike single player games.
so, no matter how awesome the setting and story of tsw are, or who wrote them, since they fucked up gameplay, character expression and exploration (holy shit a game about conspiracies made to be a classic theme park mmo is just wasted potential and a huge missed opportunity) while doing all this in the framework of an mmo, they fucked up the game really badly. it would prolly make a good movie, though.
kinda like mass effect 2 is a really shitty rpg and a really shitty shooter but somewhat enjoyable as an interactive hollywood action flick.

 

More on gameplay.

Since you do admit that GW2 setting and texts are shitty (though i dont understand your opinion that good gameplay should be paired with shitty texts and setting, why do you think it is not possible to make good gameplay and good texts and setting?) - how exactly you came to conclusion that GW2 have good gameplay and SW had bad one? Is it "bla bla bla I have opinion.. OPINION" or something more to it?

 

Please notice i dont lead crusade versus GW2. Its one of those monthly "stars" that horde of awesome-seeking consumers move from one to another. In this context crusading vs GW2 doesnt make sense. It would be replaced by another "omg super awersome" bland and generic, dumbed down for accessibility for most average consumer, full of cliche, computer product.
Such products is what i dont understand why grown-up people are supporting with their money. You kinda pay devs to make more of this 'superawesome' titles.

(yes, you - buying Diablo3 and GW2 and next FOTM products is reason why we get dozens of ME3/DA2/D3/GW2/insert name remakes/clones/follow-ups in future, while original, fresh games for thinking people will be abandoned since they dont bring that much money)

Ever wondered why 'awesome games' are dozens each year but games like Planescape Torment are so few?

 

i liked the way trait lines affect primary attributes and in turn have secondary effects and enable slots for traits which in turn alter the synergy of skills strongly, as well as the fact that you have a lot of different flavors of defense/movement/condition skills that have to be utilized properly for best effect, and that your best hitter is often the basic attack while spamming basic attack on most harder enemies is a sure way to get fried. but mostly i like the fact that past a certain point you do have to dodge and even basic attacks have areas of effect, even if you cannot see them, which in turn makes positioning properly rather important in group fights and against veterans/bosses.
it's one of the better twitch-based combat systems i've seen so far, while tsw's combat didn't leave much of an impression on me, other than use build up, release strongest attack, repeat, but i didn't get to try it properly because it was lagging badly making positioning moot and the interface annoyed the shit out of me, coloring my entire perception of the game.

...heh, funny seeing you type that sentence.

because gameplay is more important than story in an mmo and good gameplay facilitates replays/alts while good story does not, unless you pour even more resources into it and make it properly branching, which given the fact that due to player number and expected world size mmo stories tend to be on the epic scope, is an endless well you can keep pouring money into without seeing much of an improvement.
so i'd rather have no story but excellent gameplay.

 

2 "SuicideBunny "while tsw's combat didn't leave much of an impression on me, other than use build up, release strongest attack, repeat

What is strongest attack?
Name this ability. If you bad with names, i can link SW ability list.

Because when i last checked there are no stronger attacks, it all totally depends on situation/build/mobs/location/etc. And your strongest attack at this time, can be much worse few minutes later.


About GW2 flexibility, there are still fixed classes, right? Which are limited to certain spells and skills and items, while SW gives you totall freedom how to combine and use any of its 525 abilities and passives.

 

Setting, storyline, text dialogs and NPC interaction in general, gameplay (which is copy of WoW despite "revolutionary" removing need to talk to NPC to get quest. Though its still quests, you just get them automatically).

More challenging than what game? I've played Aion, Warhammer online, Secret world. They all had much more complex dungeons.

Directions are just a convenience. You can turn them all in most modern MMO.
If you talk about removing need to talk to NPC, see above.

Story and dialogue are Justin Bieber of singing. Not sure why they would bother making it for adults. Only reason why they are such is they targeted game to pre-teen aged players?


p.s.

About "dynamic events": - prepare to be surprised! - they are same as "public quests" in WAR.
Yes, its just a rip-off from Warhammer online.

Boom, only "original" idea appears to be shamelessly copy-pasted from another game.

p.p.s.

http://www.guildwarsinsider.com/dynamic-quests-waterworld/

I’ve played both [RIFT and Warhammer Online] and while participating in rifts and public quests, I couldn’t shake the feeling that I was in constant competition with the other players to make sure I got my share of XP or pushed out enough DPS to make sure I got better rewards than them.(c)

Looks like its dumbed-down rip-off from Warhammer online and Rift. Main difference is that there is no competition, everyone gets shinies even if they afk it through.

 

wow, that's way beyond trying too hard.

 

I can't believe I'm reading someone seriously defending WAR. It was utter shit, no good sides to it at all.

 

Okay so I've been reading this for a while bros. You know what? There's not enough fucking edge here, and I'll fuckin' deliver it, hell yeah.

So today my store sends me a text message as I'm having coffee with my lady, they're like yo bro, we got your package right here so I'm like cool yeah right? Finally I get this baby CE box oh yeah. In the afternoon, I go pick it up, like a boss. It's a fucking huge box too, I mean fuck, maybe americans with their cars and those fattiemobiles they have for WalMart customers can drag this bitch home with no problem but not me, I'm a fucking euro and so of course I had to hook it to my bicycle somehow except it was too huge so I had to half-carry it anyway. FUCK.

Then I come home and read this thread bros, and what do you know, I see Whisper's opinion that I guess must be based on him playing all those MMOs he mentioned and GW2 that he's already piss-tired with and am like FUCK WHY DID I BUY THIS PIECE OF SHIT BLACK AND WHISPER WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG FUCK and then I go to acc management to register my CE and FUCK ME it gives me a new arbitrarily assigned number at the end I bet that'll fuck me over some day. So, FUCK you guys for veiling my eyes with nostalgia goggles and THANK YOU Black and Whisper for being so informed and negative and opening my eyes to the idiot that I was when I spent money on a game I can afford to buy. Never fucking again, I'll always pirate and if I can't pirate I'll just bitch about it together with you guys.

Oh yeah and now this shit had another quick patch and I can't log in into the shitty repetitive unimaginative piece of shit you guys warned me about all along because millions of other morons are flocking to the flavour of the month.

COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCKSLAPS.

Yeah I'm edgy suck it down suckers.

 

^ Needs to be put in SimCity text boxes.