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The Last Of Us 2 - now with protagonist-murdering trannies

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by imweasel, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. TheSentinel Arcane

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    What do you mean? The ridiculous comparison wasn't brought up by me. I've already said it's a retarded comparison because they're not even in the same genre of games. Having an AI companion in a game where being detected doesn't matter and a stealth game are two completely different things.
     
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  2. TheSentinel Arcane

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    Don't think that ever happens in TLoU. It's one of the game's biggest problems narrative wise, how they want to make Joel a bad guy but never make him do any bad guy stuff, or rather, they never recontextualize it by showing you consequences of his actions. He's a little too aggressive but that's as far as it goes.
     
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  3. Dexter Arcane

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    I thought the story of the entire second game was based on such an amazing emotional moment with an NPC you meet for 5 seconds?


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  4. ultimanecat Cipher

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    The comparison isn't retarded because they're different genres, it's retarded because, according to shit you posted, they couldn't figure out a way to make Ellie fun as an escort without it making the game suck to play and constantly turning the mediocre stealth sequences into mediocre action sequences (which, hate RE4 or no, it very deliberately integrates Ashley into the game). The original point wasn't that escort gameplay can't be compared in different genres, because it certainly can and so much so that pretty much everyone hates it regardless of whether it happens in an RPG, action game, turn-based strategy or anything else. The original point was that for whatever reason the makers of TLoU decided thematically to make an "escort mission" of a game but couldn't figure out how to actually make that game work . It's emblematic of how the original TLoU is very often about watching cutscenes and listening to conversations while moving planks around because the creators wanted to tell a story first and do all that other game shit second.
     
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  5. TalesfromtheCrypt Arcane

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    So from what I read: Joel killed a bunch of doctors who wanted to perform deadly experiments on his protege, without her consent.

    Also, these doctors had a history of failure, performing the same deadly experiments on more than a dozen victims, without coming up with a cure.

    They are seriously pushing the „Jeol is the real bad guy“ based on this? :lol:
     
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  6. ultimanecat Cipher

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    The game does suggest that Ellie probably would agree to being vivisected if it for sure meant a cure but by that point she's not conscious to make a decision. But yes, going by what the game tells you, the people doing the procedure are incompetent, and yes, there is no way not to murder at least one doctor. I kneecapped him when I played (you're in a hospital - he'll live) and dude just died anyway.
     
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  7. TheSentinel Arcane

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    Sorry, I can't help you. Learn to read. Only then are you allowed to reply to me. I'm not that interested in talking to a guy who's arguing with an imaginary person.
     
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  8. cvv Arcane Patron

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    TheSentinel, bro, why are you whiteknighting this normie pap? You of all people, often active on the weaboo forums with all those gameplay-centric games is allhu-akbaring The Last of Us of all games?

    Literally everything about this game is impressive only in cultural vacuum. Stealth is barely a feature, gunplay is serviceable at best and you'll be only impressed by the writing if you have never read a single good book in your life and the only movies you ever watch is Marvel and Transformers.

    This game is a patron saint of American commercial mediocrity, a videogame equivalent of Dunning-Kruger. A prestigious Codexer obsessed with this product is like a respected food critic admitting his favourite cuisine is Five Guys.
     
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  9. TheSentinel Arcane

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    I don't really see it as white knighting. I just don't see the good in the diarrhea that have been the past 10 pages, and half the people talking about a game they've never played based on prejudice alone while making ridiculous comparisons.

    I don't think TLoU is anything close to the greatest games of all time (it's incredibly overrated and the developers are faggots), but it does a couple of things well that it deserves praise for (the crafting system, the combat that does a good job of feeling visceral which is in large part due to the excelent sound design). Unfortunately, you can't talk about any of that. All you get is either a strawman, "LOL MOVIEGAME SJW TRASH TRANNY 100GENDERS PROPAGANDA", or "x did it better, therefore y is shit", when x has nothing to do with y. It's this weird situation where both sides of the fence escalate insults ad absurdum until none of it has anything to do with videogames but with caricatures of the opposition that don't even represent reality anymore.

    If Infinitron bothered to actually do moderation instead of shilling for Obsidian half this thread would've been split already like he did for PoE discussion constantly.

    Besides, what am I to do? No games are out. I've been playing old shit for the past month on emulators. Elden Ring will probably be generic souls trash. Single player tactical squad based games are dead. SRPGs are dead. jRPGs are dead. Larian got BG3. ToEE will never get a remaster with additional content. Dragon's Dogma 2 is at least 3-4 years away. Sakaguchi will never make another FF. Avellone will never be in charge of another game. DQXII will probably be the last game in the franchise where all 3 creators collaborate, because sugiyama is close to death. What the fuck is the point anymore?
     
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  10. TheSentinel Arcane

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  11. TalesfromtheCrypt Arcane

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    Pretty telling. Disgusting, sad SJW fucks.
     
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  12. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    LoL who the fuck would care about killing pixel dogs?!
     
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  13. Hamster Arcane Patron

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    Listen bro when I was 12 my introduction to Warhammer was this:

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    Not this Toy Story looking shit:


    :troll:
     
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  14. Clockwork Knight Arcane

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    Well he did agree to bring her to them, then changed his mind and started blastin'. From the other characters' point of view he's at least a backstabbing mercenary. Yeah, there's a high chance of death of the subject during the procedure, but...zombie plague.
     
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  15. TheSentinel Arcane

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    IIRC Joel wasn't aware they were going to kill her. He only decided to "betray them" (they were lying to him so it wasn't exactly betrayal) after Marlene told him Ellie wasn't going to survive the surgery. Ellie didn't know she needed to die either.

    It was the first time the doctors had access to an immune specimen. The effectiveness of the surgery was never put in doubt in the game iirc, as they knew what needed to be done, they just didn't have anyone to extract the cure from.
     
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  16. Tarantulos-Eduardo-Sanchez Arcane

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    TLOU2 wants to teach you about the cycle of violence.

    TLOU2 actually teaches you if you kill someone, kill their entire family as well.
     
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  17. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    That is my take on life. If you fuck someone over,make sure that there won't be anyone left to try and fuck you over!
     
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  18. Mikeal Cipher

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    Truly Nordic thinking.
     
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  19. Lyric Suite Converting to Islam

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    When i was a kid my father once told me that if i ever put someone's eye out in a fight i might as well just kill them right there and then because they'll most likely come back to kill you down the lines. I have no idea why he would tell a 12 year old that, guess gotta impart those important life lessons.
     
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  20. Nito Educated Patron

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    It's because he knew, somewhere out there, a pirate was coming for him.
     
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    "I know what ye did last summer."
     
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    Fantadomat's lore runs deeper than previously thought.
     
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    Italians man, vendetta culture is real
     
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  24. toro Arcane

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    It's funny cause it's true ;)
     
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    Life in an imaginary ghetto is hard. Mad respect :D
     
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