Divide and Extinguish? Yes, this should be the main thread from now on.Is this the main thread now? Why the split?
I know there is confusion about it, but I don't really care who is responsible.Many ITT still treat Obs as an independent studio.
Owned by Ubisoft. All their games use UPlay regardless of it being on a 3rd party Store.DeDivision 2 is still on uplay
Obsidian is owned by MS now, it's expected that their new game will at least be on an MS platform.tow is on windows store.
Not sure that's due to competition. It's about who thought of if first.
You can think it wouldn't have ever happened if Microsoft didn't enter the console market to compete with Sony but that's just stupid. It could've just as easily started from Sony, it's not like they're strangers to anti-consumer practices.
And if consumers embrace bad practices... well, you can hardly call them anti-consumer, can you? If you don't like them, then separate yourself from the consumer crowd and stop feeding the bad practices.
Bullshit. They're outraged the game is not on Steam. The main complaint is "I have to install another client". It's got nothing to do with principles. Only convenience and such blind loyalty to a brand that Steam essentially has a strangehold on the entire PC market.
Kind of missing my point here. It's not really exclusivity deal, it's "FUGG STEAM xDDDD" deal.Owned by Ubisoft. All their games use UPlay regardless of it being on a 3rd party Store.DeDivision 2 is still on uplay
Obsidian is owned by MS now, it's expected that their new game will at least be on an MS platform.tow is on windows store.
And Obsidian are not my favorite studio. I don't even know if I have a favorite studio.
This is just absolutely retarded, there's a lot of retarded statements made throughout the thread, but this one was so retarded I actually had to comment on it. They've been working on (and have announced) an UI upgrade since Mid-2017: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/07/08/steam-ui-overhaul-incoming-valve-presentation-confirms/The weird thing that you actually seem to believe that. Maybe you should let go of your own very obvious fanboyism, before wrongly accusing others?Are you even familiar with Valve? "Valve time" is a thing for a reason. I can guarantee they've been working on this for far longer than Epic's store was even a glimmer in Sweeney's dead eyes. They didn't throw this together in 3 weeks.
Oh, btw... Epic Store was announced in December 2018. A change like that is absolutely doable in three months with even a small team. Hell, I could probably do it alone (if I let go of sleep...). I doubt Valve just has a small team working on Steam.
I mostly agree with you on that and they are overstating their case, but the cavalier attitude displayed towards the absolute breaches of privacy commited by the likes of Google and the rhetoric of arguing by saying "Google does it too!":That piece of shit clickbait-style image is a collection of bullshit, lies and blatant exaggeration.
Every single point this "thing" presents and finds totally terrible can be easily explained by anyone who actually knows a thing about software.
Just take that "Sweeney wants to know where you are!" statement - of course he does! As does every other software that has localized content, pricing, etc. And because one method of acquiring a user's location might fail, you try out multiple ones.
Or "Datamine what games you like!" - you mean, just like Steam or every other store that collects data on what you view/buy and uses that information to give you personalised content? How terrible... That it uses Steam's files to gain that info is actually rather clever, but it could do exactly the same through the Steam API. The files way means that Valve won't get to know everything Epic does with the data.
Or "Two different domains to track what you're doing" - Completely normal for any kind of user software that tracks usage data. Usually something like Google Analytics to track steps through the app and then other service(s) to track other data. If you find that bad, you're probably better off with an abacus than a computer.
Or the "security certificates" thing - normal procedure for almost every software using Chromium to display a website inside (or as) their UI. Chromium has to access certificates for - wait for it ! - certification.
Or "Why is your client looking at browser settings" - because the EGS (like most store-front software) is a browser itself, so it checks your normal browser's settings to apply some of these settings to itself.
Or "It's scraping names and paths of processes on your computer" - yeah, no shit. That's how you can tell which games are running (for example, to put an overlay on them), or to prevent running double instances of the EGS itself. There are many, many reasons to scan running applications' names.
The only part I find strange is why it would try to create a "shcore.dll" in the Fiddler directory - though I suspect that is actually Fiddler itself through some kind of injection, possible related to how it gathers its data.
This is just absolutely retarded, there's a lot of retarded statements made throughout the thread, but this one was so retarded I actually had to comment on it. They've been working on (and have announced) an UI upgrade since Mid-2017: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/07/08/steam-ui-overhaul-incoming-valve-presentation-confirms/The weird thing that you actually seem to believe that. Maybe you should let go of your own very obvious fanboyism, before wrongly accusing others?Are you even familiar with Valve? "Valve time" is a thing for a reason. I can guarantee they've been working on this for far longer than Epic's store was even a glimmer in Sweeney's dead eyes. They didn't throw this together in 3 weeks.
Oh, btw... Epic Store was announced in December 2018. A change like that is absolutely doable in three months with even a small team. Hell, I could probably do it alone (if I let go of sleep...). I doubt Valve just has a small team working on Steam.
There's slides with the upcoming features on them:
Early Mockups were discovered even earlier than that:
Quite frankly, you must have an enormous amount of stuff to hide if you are that afraid of Epic looking at your Steam files to get your games, Steam friends and location.and also pretending all of this is just fine and in no way controversial, calling an absolute breach of privacy that you admit might be illegal and is definitely a breach of trust (which is why Epic is apparently trying to change it as quick as possible) "clever" is about at least as dishonest, and also retarded.
It makes you absolutely wrong and your smug and self-assured way of calling someone wrong, that was actually right makes you look like a dick. And now you're changing goalposts and are trying to turn your new realization against Valve too while not backing off from your previous one, like the unbiased, rational individual you obviously are.Interesting. But you know what? It doesn't change much.
And now you're using the "Nothing to Hide" argument/fallacy, used by retards all around the world to act as an apologist for the unacceptable. It's so famous, there's even a Wikipedia page about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument and people have written entire books and papers on it.Quite frankly, you must have an enormous amount of stuff to hide if you are that afraid of Epic looking at your Steam files to get your games, Steam friends and location.
Me? I don't care, cause I got nothing to hide. And if I had, it wouldn't be part of Steam files
You can rant about your privacy all you want, I belong firmly in the group of people who realized that we have long entered the age of post-privacy. I simply do not care who knows what about me, believe it or not. I know this is not a popular opinion around here, but again, I just don't care.
Major Silicon Valley company and privacy regulations will come within the next decade in the US - this is something that Democrats and Republicans can already largely agree on and is so obvious that some of the Democrat candidates like Warren and Gabbard have made it flagpole of their presidential campaigns, the only question is by whom and how exactly they will look.Meh murican senetors "grill" internet corporation every month but nothing comes out of it. The whole shit is absolute joke,some smug assholes go there and lie like magic potion peddlers and senetors just take up the ass.
Honestly, the companies fucked themselves by going after conservatives. If they had stayed mostly politically neutral there would have been enough opposition from the free-market republicans to stop any sort of legislation imposing regulations IMO.Major Silicon Valley company and privacy regulations will come within the next decade in the US - this is something that Democrats and Republicans can already largely agree on and is so obvious that some of the Democrat candidates like Warren and Gabbard have made them flagpoles of their presidential campaigns, the only question is by whom and how exactly they will look.
I am not trying anything, I am succeeding. And I don't give a flying fuck what that makes me look to you.It makes you absolutely wrong and your smug and self-assured way of calling someone wrong, that was actually right makes you look like a dick. And now you're changing goalposts and are trying to turn your new realization against Valve too, like the unbiased individual, rational individual you obviously are.Interesting. But you know what? It doesn't change much.
The "Nothing to Hide" argument was never proven as false by anyone. If it were so, you would find that little detail in the Wikipedia article, too. It was written by Wiki-people anyway and we all know their mindset It's not something like scientific racism that has long been proven scientifically wrong.And now you're using the "Nothing to Hide" argument/fallacy, used by retards all around the world to act as an apologist for the unacceptable. It's so famous, there's even a Wikipedia page about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument and people have written entire books and papers about it.Quite frankly, you must have an enormous amount of stuff to hide if you are that afraid of Epic looking at your Steam files to get your games, Steam friends and location.
Me? I don't care, cause I got nothing to hide. And if I had, it wouldn't be part of Steam files
You can rant about your privacy all you want, I belong firmly in the group of people who realized that we have long entered the age of post-privacy. I simply do not care who knows what about me, believe it or not. I know this is not a popular opinion around here, but again, I just don't care.
Ah, the typical nonsense reply.It's not only stupid, it's also not very clever, since one could simply ask "Why don't you tell us your full name, address, bank information and credit card information then?" or "Why don't you shower in the middle of the street and provide us with a picture of you naked then?" which would prove that you have something to hide.
Yeah,sure wait and hope for the big man to boned in the ass after a decade or two....or maybe three or four. That why i am telling you that they are useless oh great sheeple. Even the EU knows when to put down the boot on their stinking tendrils,while Chine just doesn't give a fuck about them and either they do as told are kicked out of the biggest market on the world.Major Silicon Valley company and privacy regulations will come within the next decade in the US - this is something that Democrats and Republicans can already largely agree on and is so obvious that some of the Democrat candidates like Warren and Gabbard have made it flagpole of their presidential campaigns, the only question is by whom and how exactly they will look.
So you essentially admit that you have something to hide, and you even state the reason why - because harm could befall you.Bank and credit card information can obviously be used to steal from me. Hence, I haven't produced any data just showing all those numbers anywhere.
Again, there are entire papers dealing with said argument in all its forms and contexts that have thought about it and spent far more time debunking it than I ever care to do, see for instance: https://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1159&context=faculty_publicationsBut that is also not the point of the "Nothing to Hide" argument, which is about data that can only be used against you if you did something illegal. Stuff like phone call logs, CCTV, etc.
There is no such thing as a reality in which my Steam files can be used against me. Or my location. Or my browser settings.
It's an RPG
Good luck keeping your skin color hidden and ethnic background hidden, mate... You are reaching extremely to find some basis for your argument.Again, there are entire papers dealing with said argument in all its forms and contexts that have thought about it and spent far more time debunking it than I ever care to do, see for instance: https://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1159&context=faculty_publicationsBut that is also not the point of the "Nothing to Hide" argument, which is about data that can only be used against you if you did something illegal. Stuff like phone call logs, CCTV, etc.
There is no such thing as a reality in which my Steam files can be used against me. Or my location. Or my browser settings.
There is obviously such a reality where the things you state can be used against you, you just need to look into very recent history e.g. Nazi regime, Communist regime, GDR where such simple things as your location data or browsing history could get you tortured or worse. It's not really about you, and the things that can hurt you or can be used against you can be entirely arbitrary and not even your fault, like your skin color or ethnic background.
But you don't even need to go back in history - you just need to take a look at the daily Twatter mobs or consider other regions of the world, and yes even Steam data could get someone in trouble, for instance: https://store.steampowered.com/app/950740/China_Maos_legacy/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/950740/discussions/0/1846946102850674652/
Chinese government eating your unborn children and other evil deeds.Hey guise what's going on ITT?
Greetings, good developer. I can offer you a good rate to sell your games on my store for a low low cut of 12%. You just need to follow me to this back alley around the corner....You are a good man,i would have kicked him or stabbed him in a dark alley.I ran into a video game developer down the street the other day, with blue hair and a color assorted chihuahua, begging for money to buy a third soy latte from Starbucks™, complaining that Valve only gave him enough money to buy two of those with their mean rates, it was the saddest thing I ever saw
I already gave all my pocket change to the Syrian refugees in the previous intersection, so I didn't have anything for him, but thankfully a nice chinaman gave him enough money to keep on living the Californian lifestyle