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Wasteland The Wasteland 2 Beta Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Discussion in 'inXile Entertainment' started by sea, Dec 12, 2013.

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  1. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Oh, you can definitely compare it. I'm sure even some people at inXile think that D:OS will be an altogether more impressive title than WL2. D:OS has more budget, more development time, a wider scope. Why wouldn't it be better?

    It just seems like a dumb thing to be so upset about.

    Not really. Sawyer's complaint was basically about people who complained that "this game is trying to be oldschool BUT IN A WAY I DON'T LIKE which is why it'll SUCK". Oblivion and Fallout 3 weren't even really trying.
     
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    :negative:

     
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  3. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    #3728
    That sentence should tell you more about felipepepe than it does about Wasteland 2

    What would you have said if Wasteland 2 had done something equally as drastic as changing from a mana-based spellcasting system to a cooldown(!!)-based system in the middle of development, felipe?
     
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  4. Zero Credibility Arcane

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    Wow, did he also use all those wikipedia links as well in the post? If yes, I just have to reconsider my feeling towards him. Where previously it was only a dislike over seeing reverence of him by certain people here and a disagreement with his design decisions, I now fucking hate him.
     
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  5. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    #3730
    No, that's a copy-pasta from Wikipedia. I'll remove those.
     
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  6. Zero Credibility Arcane

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    Oh good. Downgrading my hate again. You win this time Sawyer.
     
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  7. Athelas Arcane

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    They didn't make Fallout. :M
     
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  8. felipepepe Prestigious Gentleman Codex's Heretic Patron

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    Because the moar production time, budget and scope the game has, the better it is, always. So obviously W2 is vastly superior to Underrail and AoD, right?

    And I simply can't be upset about a game being bad if it had less budget than a good game.

    You mean like going from a hex grid to a square one? :3 I would bitch and moan, but still judge the game for what it is on release. Dragon Age's mana/cooldown hybrid system actually works well, the same way that W2's square grid is not a problem (although is retarded that only enemies can melee on diagonals).
     
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    That was actually a reference to D:OS: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ut-the-alpha-here.72670/page-188#post-3007561

    AoD-style indies actually have the largest production times of all because they don't really have budgets in the first place.

    Look, I too wish that WL2 had a full year or more of preproduction and design like Torment is getting. I too wish they'd hired on people like Brother None and sea earlier, and thought about their game mechanics and quest design a bit more deeply.

    But the fact is that back in March 2012, the "resurrection of oldschool RPGs" was by no means an assured thing. The RPG Kickstarter fad could have died down, just like it did for adventure games after the one big success of Double Fine. Fargo made the right choice by not letting the game get too ambitious and getting production online ASAP. And his quick release of that gameplay video back in February 2013 was part of what made the Torment Kickstarter such a huge success. (In contrast, Obsidian have had a much longer time by now and they still haven't put together a decent video for Eternity.)

    ...but I don't think the game is bad. I just think it could be better. It helps that I don't think of the Fallout series as the end-all, be-all of RPGs. I look at Wasteland 2 and see a game that's like Fallout, but has better combat, a better UI, full party creation and, if Brother None is to be believed, more C&C. Those things just aren't "bad", no matter how you look at it.
     
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    I guess Kickstarter money can't buy also talent.
    Bringing that Sawyer quote into ecuation is retarded beyond measure because the game's flaws are too generic to make the quote relevant.

    Fallout, a game with many flaws, managed to widely be acclaimed by all those zealots Sawyer is blabbering about.
    What makes a game to bypass these boundaries that involves many player tastes and ideologies?
    Not money.
     
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  11. felipepepe Prestigious Gentleman Codex's Heretic Patron

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    Well, if it works...

    That's why the Sawyer quote is bullshit. I'm not asking for a specific system, I'm just asking for one that works and is fun, which W2 currently isn't.

    As I said then, W2 merits stand on "historical context", not on the game itself. And even then, it is quite debatable... M&M:X, Blackguards, D:OS and other big games of the "revival" were in development way before the kickstarter frenzy.

    Again, a nice feature list that doesn't deliver, because the content itself is mediocre and boring. NWN2's OC had all the same features that Mask of the Betrayer had, but was still bad.
     
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    #3737
    I think the disappointment is all down to how much Molyneux inxile was projecting ramping up to the beta release. Bestests reactive rpg ever and a bunch of other crap.

    Developers should learn to shut the fuck up and not promise anything they cant deliver, especially KS project developers.
     
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  13. DragoFireheart all caps, rainbow colors, SOMETHING.

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    Did I just walk into some bizzaro world where huehue's like Bioware games and hate jRPGs?
     
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    No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to justify Wasteland 2's quality in a "historical context", as in "it's good for its time!". I'm just explaining why it's like it is.

    (Judging by the massive amounts of butthurt MMX inspired among Might & Magic fans I'm not sure that's the best example though. We've talked about this before.)

    That's an interesting comparison. Probably the most perceptive thing you've said here.

    Wasteland 2 == NWN2 OC? Has all the features, but is still just plain "derpy"? I guess we'll see what the Kodex Konsensus is when the game is released.
     
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  15. Daedalos Arcane The Real Fanboy

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    Actually the team stated it was probably closer to 20-25 % of content at the start of the beta... it's probably 30 % now with prison... not really 40 %.. The entire L.A chapter and therest of arizona will be more than 60 % fo sho!

    3 months to put all the content in, additional 3 months to polish and finetune skills, attributes and level design, graphics etc.... so 6 months total... it can be enough to turn it around :)
     
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    Am I also the only one who thinks Divinity: Original Sin looks like shit? ;-/
     
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  17. clemens Cipher Patron

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    :0/5:
     
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  18. Daedalos Arcane The Real Fanboy

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    Not trollin' bro. Honestly. I cannot see what all the fuss about divinity is about. It really looks "meh" imo. Like really.
     
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  19. Onholyservicebound Arcane

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    Nobody cares what your opinion of the game is if you haven't even played it.
     
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    I've seen alot of gameplay videoes of it, people playing it. Same thing, it's just not me playing it. That's enough for me. Not interested.
     
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  21. Brother None inXile Entertainment Developer

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    I'd hope so. The game looks great. I haven't had time to play a ton but what I've played has been really good.
     
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  22. felipepepe Prestigious Gentleman Codex's Heretic Patron

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    That's fair.

    That's retarded.
     
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    Even if you have tens of hours of viewing, it does not compare with playing it
     
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  24. Onholyservicebound Arcane

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    Do you know what a video game is?
     
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  25. Akratus Self-loathing fascist drunken misogynist asshole Patron

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    You hear that guys? Discussing games you haven't played is no longer allowed! All pre-release discussion is to cease immediately.
     
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