The Witcher 1 Thread

In what way were they "right"?

 

I'll have to go back and reload that portion. Think the logic was "she's just as guilty as everyone else, but what, I should just kill everyone in town and let her go because... she had sex with me?" I mean, it's a good reason, but I felt that for the sake of keeping the community together she'd have to face justice for her voodoo dolls and such. She wanted justice so bad, but when it was used against her, she got all angry. What a hypocrite!

 

They started it. Yes, she made some profits from it, but they always scorned her, while asking for her help whenever they were in need. Yes I had no problem slaughtering these rapists, murderers and double faced liars.

I even went with her without having sex, has no bearing whatsoever on my decision. This was for me one of the less grey choices.

 

Well, at least SHE gets a trial. You know, real justice. You'd deny that of everyone else in town. Eh, it's a game and as such, you only get two choices, but look at what happens if you do side with the town: then you see her true evil side. She curses everyone! Is killing her the lesser evil, or the greater evil?

A guy rapes a girl and she kills herself (iirc). Should I murder him, without trial? He doesn't deny it, but he is repentant.

Odo or whatever may or may not have killed his brother (but I never really gathered all that much evidence on this one) should he die too? Maybe the Witch *was* controlling him with that puppet? From Geralt's standpoint, Odo was on the bubble leaning towards full exoneration. There was a drinking contest with Odo or something that I am still not certain I did right, because I didn't find anything from that. Either way, I guess he deserves to die too.

The Reverend I did find evidence of his crimes, but again, killing him would lead to chaos. He is a respected leader and all.

I'll be honest: I was so negligent with my investigation of all three "prime evils" in town, technically from Geralt's standpoint, she was probably the most guilty of all. Either way, the town ends up a barren wasteland so there really isn't all that much C&C here. I was hoping by killing her, I'd save the children of the village and it's regular Joe citizens. No such luck.

 

Didn't the witch or the demon or something state that the evil spirit dog only got summoned because the towns people were so immoral?

Give a witch over to a mob and fix nothing, or punish a whole corrupt town's population? Easy peasy. Never chose anything but the witch's side.

Although brofist for siding with the Scoia'Tael.

 

Thanks. I'll admit, in that game I got to a point in the swamps where I felt I had to pick a side, and didn't' really want to pick either. So I quit playing the game... for about 5 years. I finally went back and am very glad I did. This game really did too much right to miss.

 

Doing this from memory, but he dies anyhow, correct? And isn't his story part of of the Witchers speech/accusations at the end of Act 1? When he exits the cave, Geralt makes a point about Odo, about the rapist, and about the Reverend?

 

iirc you were supposed to meet him after killing the demon dog. i think he participated in the trap that sends geralt to jail.

 

He doesn't die and I don't think he is involved with anything else after Act 1.

 

You are correct. I found this Let's Play on Youtube where the fellow goes through the end sequence starting at 20:30 or so. The developers do a pretty good job of making Abigail out to be no saint either, when she sold the poison to the girl who killed herself and doesn't seem bothered troubled by her own actions. Though after watching this, I had the sequence all messed up. Geralt does a pretty good job of trying to give everyone a chance to clear out/make good before he murders everyone.

 

Are you kidding me?! Trial? By these cowards who gang up on one god damn woman? Who are the main reason the Beast got lose in the first place?
Odo? Exoneration? Did you actually pay attention what happened? Do you know what an Echniops is? Did you not take the hint with the dog mourning it's dead and buried master?
Killing him would lead to chaos? Says who? You think they can't find a quack who can spout religious nonsense all day long? Rofl

Yeah, YOU were negligent and helped rapists, murderers and two faced liars to get their way and bury their sin. Grats.

 

I do share your opinion. It becomes clear that village folk are quite pathetic, Odo especially. The priest was just a fanatic asshole. Barking at them a bit was just enough, in my opinion. Abigail was an interesting character, though, and in the long run it shows how gray the morality system in the game can be. Let's not forget this brief prologue, which could be seen as demo material, made you take decisions which were influenced by your own opinions on sexism and racism, which is quite a lot for a saga which is supposedly made of rape.

 

You know, it is funny in a way but I think a lot of people are dismissive towards TW1 and don't bother with the details due to the whole thing with the sex cards. That is what was recognizable and easily passed on through the mainstream, the sex part. I actually think this game has a lot of nuances about racial and political tensions (it is certainly better than the teenage power fantasies that bioware seems to keep drudging up). By the way, didn't one of the developers say that the neutral ending is the canonical ending?

 

The sex cards are hardly mandatory and make up maybe 1% of the game though, at best. IF people really base judgement on that about a game, then they deserve to be either laughed at or outright ignored.

 

Not 100% canonical, but it'd fit Geralt's pre-amnesia personality. But it's up to you to shape his post-amnesia personality.

 

The Neutral path is the "true" Witcher path, if I remember correctly. Even if you haven't read the books, you are told in-game that witchers behave like mercenaries with an ethical side, which is based on their refusal to involve in human killing. Then it comes another ethical question about how men can become monsters, which is presented in the interludes and during gameplay, and even in the ending (spoilers, but what the heck, is a 7 year old game). I do love the narrative in this game.

 

So... a gal selling poison so ladies can kill themselves is better? A woman cursing a whole town is better? A woman who will fuck you to get out of the mess she caused is ... ok, of course that's better. But still, after I had in game intercourse with her and got her card, she served no other purpose for the sake of the game. Next time I play it, eh, I'll do a better job of my investigation. But I think I did more to heal the community than killing their spiritual leader ever did.

 

There's this concept called "lesser evil", ever heard of it? The village is rotten to the core, there's nothing worth saving there. Who's gonna reform, that gavencar who dealt with terrorists for a chance for pussy? Or that drunkard, who inherited a great deal of money after he killed his brother? Or maybe that guard, who participated in the gang rape of his own girlfriend and later had you thrown into prison? Fuck, it's implied in the conversation with Alvin that villagers raped young Abigail and skinned her dog. Witch's actions were mostly a reaction to all of this. And chapter 4 proves that letting her live is a better choice.

 

Really, that's all there is to it? Pussy? Cursed a whole town? No she didn't, they themselves put them into that situation, the witch didn't make it better, but you still failed to pay attention. She was afraid for her life and needed some sort of protection. She also didn't poison anyone. She sold the poison.
So you'd have an entire town rotten to the core, and one of the guy as thanks for your deeds gets you jailed and you still defend them. Wow, the sheer delusion and ignorance it takes to defend these fucktards.
I didn't have sex with the witch and I chose to tell her that I chose the lesser of two evils and that's exactly what it was.
Yeah, what else was left for her to do? The town had it out for her for a long time and no one would stand up for her. What do you think she could have done instead? It was her only move left. When you side with the witch, Geralt states that he wants them to leave him and the witch alone, yet after Geralt and Abigail fought for them against the Beast they still have the audacity to attack them as a whole pack. So not only are they rapists, murderers and two faced liars, they are also backstabbing assholes. They do not dare to lay a finger on Geralt when he was at full capacity.

Gosh, stop talking, the more you talk the more you show you have no clue what really happened in the village. There is absolutely no argument for the villagers.

 

How is it bad ?
At least there is enough content to allow these heated discussion.

 

Same as many take any of their hobbies "too seriously". Like Football. Basketball. Music. Painting. Etc.

 

In WH40k, you would burn the witch and the villagers, problem solved.

 

If Geralt was to exterminate every rotten town he'd still be busy. Just say "don't care, solve your own shit" and be on your way.