Decline Thiaf Pre-Release Thread

How?

 

I think having a minigame that takes the player out of the game is detrimental to stealth as a whole. What was good with Thief 1 and 2, and even better with The Dark Mod since it was made more difficult, was that you were very vulnerable while picking a lock. You sometimes had to change lockpicks, and you sometimes had to do this in plain light while having to dodge a guard patrolling the area. If lockpicking is now a minigame like Bioshock's, then there's next to no point in it.

 

He's completely right.

 

Now we just need someone to figure out how to make lock picking fun since it hasn't happened yet.

 

The world must have a balance of good and evil, after the potential of incline from kickstarter, we need to watch as Thief is popamolish raped in a very slow and excruciating fashion.

 

*forgive my total lack of Photoshop skills

 

D1P

 

I guess minigames only becomes good when they cease to be a minigame. Just look at Operation Flashpoint for example: You have a slow paced first/third person tactical shotter game, a tank game, a copter/aircraft game, a low scale RTS game, a stealth game, etc... Now take a look at modern sandboxes: Most of these games have a well done gameplay mechanic(driving in GTA, shotting in Far Cry 2, exploring in TES games) and shallow gameplay mechanics(fighting and shotting in GTA, TES minigames, AssCreed side quests,etc...). The shallow part of these sandboxes can just as well be called minigames.
The same can be applied to today linear/semi linear games that Thiaf will make part. If the best praise a minigame can get is to be not annoying enough, then i don't see the fucking point designing it.

But whats the point in being right when the mechanics are shit. Can you say a minigame that's actually good to a game not just "i didn't bother me"?

 

I could be a full on cover shooter. Or completely focus on combat with stealth being an afterthought. It could have much worse character/costume design. It could be on rails, etc, etc.

 

rip in peace Thief.

 

You know that R.I.P. already stands for "Rest in Peace", right?

 

It could be Splinter Cell. <shudder>

 

Rest in peace in peace?

 

I think the core problem is mini-games are very rarely, if ever, enjoyable. He seems to dodge that issue by saying you can't lump them all together and judge it as a whole, but honestly what is a fun RPG mini-game? I can't think of even one, and I am one of the most lenient and forgiving people here on modern games.

At least Fallout 3/New Vegas had skill point requirements that still made lockpicking and such RPG-esque. In Oblivion and Skyrim lockpicking is a total dump stat, if you are good enough at the mini-game (which isn't hard) then you need no skill increases.

 

Rip Eidos bastards to shreds in peace.

 

Upgrades? Garrett is... was the master thief. he is "un-upgradable".

Sound design will be like it is nowadays: you do noise or you don't. In thief, sound had effects on distance. you could be noisy as a rock band if far enough, and AI wouldn't detect you. But even running on a carpet or other not-so-loud surfaces would bring the attention of a close guard. New games have noise steps aways, and you upgrade to completely silent walking, independent of the tipe of floor, jumping etc.

damn... the game could at least make very little success so they bury the "franchise" forever.

 

It's as if Assassin's Creed and Dishonored had a baby. :puke:

 

Sorry, little tick I picked up from /v/.

But yeah, that's the joke.

 

I thought hacking in New Vegas and Human Revolution was fun. The big problem with HR was that it was overused. And while not RPGs I enjoyed all the puzzle treasure boxes in the Onimusha games.

More minigame related stuffs:
http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/163949761966138043
http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/236238327810895131
http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/236315036048428133
http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/236879903289509489

 

As long as im supposed to be a masterthief and also, at the same time be able to fail horribly at lockpicking the easiest locks just because I click wrong, minigames are bad. I dont want to play my lefthanded ten thumped worthless self in middleages, I want to be a masterthief, let me be one, dont force me to feel as worthless as I am just because you want to add a minigame. Im awesome as fuck and ca walk up walls and grapplehook skyscarpers but a simple lock breaks my awesome buttons? no thanks.

The logic behind this is very flawed, if we go that way, and add games to every fuck simple thing there is, I have to type in my dialogue choices in RPGs as well otherwise dialogues will feel to automatic and with little input from me, you may give me a choice of extra keywords to use in my text the higher my int level is.

 

The only proper places for minigames in an RPG is gambling.

Other genres have SLIGHTLY more room, but they should still never be related to core mechanics.

Wait what?

I downloaded a mod that effectively lets me skip the minigame for the second playthrough on, but I am still curious.

 

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I'm trying to keep an open mind since I thought DXHR looked completely awful until I tried the leaked alpha or beta or whatever it was. And then the final game was mostly decent. Mostly. If you squinted enough.

 

This hammerite is unimpressed. Thi4f Creed will fail.