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Stealth in a thief game is essential. There is no way they won't focus on that.

Thief had a steampunk setting, so the retractable bow makes sense. However, it would be cool if it made a noise while extending into bow mode, which could alert guards.

Sword fighting was always a staple of thief one and two. As was backstabbing/neck slashing if you snuck up on someone (aka early version of modern popamole stealth kills) Against one guard Garett was always the dominant one, it was when fighting more than one guards at the same time he got fucked and had to run.

IMO they should give multiple fighting styles that you can upgrade in rpg fashion by pumping in skill points or whatnot: Single sword, Sword + Dagger, and Dual Daggers. Since the game should be first person, not much in the way of expense in animations. However, don't go overboard by allowing him to slaughter hordes of guards. More than one guard simultaneous should always present a problem including instan death if one of them starts flanking you. Also, combat should be fluid if you are facing more than one guard. That is, fighting while moving to disallow opponents to flank you and also allow you to escape should you need it.

Garett should have more steampunk gadgets. Smokebombs, mechanized grappling hools, poison needles with blowgun, etc. I would also like if his cape had the option to allow him to slowfall down from a larger height; kinda like batman's cape. I think that's fitting and not really overpowered or popamole. If steampunk has advanced so much in that world they can make functioning eyes with it, which even we cannot do today with modern tech, all sorts of shit should be possible

The mechanized eyes should grant some benefit. Thief fans claim it allowed you to zoom in in bow vision in Thief 2, but you could do it in thief 1 as well with normal eye.

No zombies. No mutants. No supernatural bullshit. PLEASE. Secret Societies are cool and quite fitting, and steampunk guards with steampunk armors/weapons are fine as well. But no undead plz and no dragons and shit.

Please stop brinigng up Thief 3. It was pure and utter shit, completely unlike Thief 1 + 2 (the real Thief games). It was solely due to Xbox version; they had to make the game for xbawx as well so it was really really dumbed down. Area's were extremely small, AI was utterly shit to the point of non existent, and there were constant area loading times. Guards would forget about you in seconds. Dead bodies would be ignored. No wonder the series went into hiatus with that shit sequel. This game will have a long long way to go before it can be surpassed with Thief 3. Yes this is for consoles too, but next next gen consoles with more processing power. Hopefully it will mean a proper Thief Game, with retarded elements of Thief 1 and 2 removed (zombies, mutants, etc)

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So how difficult would it be to adjust to DromEd when you're coming from the Dark Mod's DarkRadiant? I'll probably make a mission or two with DarkRadiant first but I generally prefer the engine and the richness of assets of Thief 2 so I might switch to DromEd later.

 

However guys the situation isn't that bad.

The sheer amount of actually good FMs for Thief 2 will be much longer than the shitty 8-or-whatever hours long campaign the will put in this piece of shit

 

Have the devs already mentioned something about mod support? This shit better ships with a level editor.

 

I've started playing around with Dromed.

First thing you notice coming from Darkradiant is that you have solid space rather than empty space, you have to subtract from the world rather than add to it to start off.
The brushes properties such as position, rotation and size are all in the bottom left.
3D view has no mouse look.
You make curves out of cylinder brushes, rather than a mesh patch.
Im unsure whether theres anything like clipper in dromed.

Heres two tutorial videos.

 

no

 

What do you mean mod support

How are we gonna sell you level DLC bro

 

Why does anyone expect an editor when the primary platforms will be consoles?

 

Why not? How can you accept a cybernetic eye that can see clearly and can even 'zoon' in the dark ages, but not accept other more mundane stuff that was actually done in our own dark ages?

 

Cause one of the things that made Thief fun is having to overcome your obstacles with a limited selection of tools - you had your special arrows, flashbombs, but not too many fancy things that would make disabling enemies trivial.

Especially the different combat styles just sound like a no-go for a Thief game.

 

Why would you want combat styles in Thief at all? The only purpose combat served in Thief before was basically to save you if you fucked up and didn't want to reload. I mean, you could just slaughter your way through levels, but if you did it then you were playing the game wrong and would die unless playing on the easier difficulty levels. The intentionally clunky controls (even in Thief 3) only highlighted the fact that Geralt is not a swordsman, or a ninja, but a sneak.

You kinda "need" combat for the sake of appealing to the cro-magnon audience as well as to appease an executive board somewhere, but if Eidos devote any more than the bare minimum of resources to combat then it will be a waste of time. And if they turn it into Dishonored with its dual-wielding, takedowns, etc. then that will be very antithetical the Thief franchise.

 

Somebody kill sea please

 

Care to explain your outburst?

 

sea can't wait for Witcher 3, so it's understandable

 

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFuck.

I woke up like 30 minutes ago, give me a break.

Leaving the mistake in just for the lulz.

Actually, after The Witcher 2 I really am not that interested by it. Very "wait and see" for me.

 

Personally I wouldn't mind a 1st Person View assassin game. Has any ever been made except one of the Hitman series?
But please don't call it Thief if it's about killing, and please use another character than Garret.

 

Thief had little details concerning how weapons would affect your visibility. if you were wielding a sword, you would become slightly more visible. Makes sense having this, but i get the impresion sound will be binary. Probably you will have an upgrade that would make the bow completely silent.

I like the idea of chosing the style and weapons, but upgrades are a bad idea. Implementing this would make the game easy by the end levels, therefore, combat would become a piece of cake. The idea of having different style of fighting would be good if different enemies had different weakness to different styles. but it should be as is, garrett being already at his maximum possible proficiency from the beggining to end. And not being the focus of gameplay, since you're not supposed to kill at all. Meleé combat in thief is just like making bread in ultima 7: it's there for fun, because it's realistic and you can do that. but you shouldn't.

The cape idea could work, since there was the slowfall potion in thief. Then again, this looks like the same effect, but the cape really looks like it would be there for cool animations. Anyway, I aways pictured garrett as an badass anti-batman. Only he is not a martial artist and do-gooder. Everytime batman disappears and leave comissioner gordon talking alone, I remeber garrett.

they should be part of the lore at least. Thief 2 had not many supernatural elements, but were part of the same thief 1 universe. You don't need to face them directly, but they should be referenced, and even have some ghost, even if it's a friendly AI. But I have no objections to undead in my thief games. Nor the lack of it.

Thief 3 is a technical mess, because of xbox, but it is a real thief game. It is like thief 1 and 2. Gameplay-wise, nothing really changed, but all gadgets except for rope arrow worked the sameway. Areas are small, and I hated the "hub" city with random NPCs. Area loading times were constant if you went back and forth. Normally happen in city hub. but in normal levels, it was ok. considering the pace of playing a thief game, you would take a long time before reaching the loading transition. Light and shadow worked exactly as in the originals. Sound worked the same way, which i doubt it will happen in thief 4. Well, I say this but I have to mention I tweaked the AI and used the minimalist project, that took away the 3rd person view, loot glints and most of the handholding and the big ugly HUD, and made lots of changes in the user and default.ini files. But I felt the same way and I think the series ended in a satisfactory way. And even having small levels, they managed to make nice and well constructed levels, even if separated in sections. But they were well done and believable. The hub city was shit, and it is my main complain about the game.

Other nice things in thief 3 is that the sound direction and voice acting were on the same level as the originals, and though it missed the briefing cutscenes, it had nice animated cutscenes in the style of the originals, mixed with the shit "in-engine-turned-into-.bmk-files" style. And it respected canon, even when that game was trying so hard to be a reboot.

 

Exactly, it's fine if they want to make such a game, but then leave Thief and Garret out of it.
I'm really concerned they turn him into a silent killer from the shadows, because that shit is sooooo cool and the 12yo will love it as it makes them feel powerful and dangerous and all.

 

This. I have wanted a 1st person medieval assassin game ever since I played Thief, the original. In fact, I wanted the sequel to Theif to be this game called Assassin, then I fantasized they would release a Thief game and an Assassin game every other year or so, set in the same world, until a sequel down the line where you would choose between one of the two characters and face the other in the game!

Assassin's Creed is the closest to an Assassin type game, but it has retarded sci fi elements...and the series has gone to shit and utter WTF since AC 2

 

Ruining the plans of a fucking trickster god and a crazed cult leader bent on destroying all organic life without killing a single person makes me feel even more powerful than an assassin.

 

Thief 3 is a lot better than a game with your suggestions would be.

 

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