Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Is it still possible to ask a refund for BT4 ? Given the quality of the last products i have no more faith into that either.

 

Idk, haven't heard back yet. I'm assuming no.

 

Pretty funny how this got from "how do I give them more money?" to "gimme back my money".

Oh well, despite all the recent shit surrounding it, I think Tworment might bring back a bit of good will, but fuck it, unless they announce an Arcanum Kickstarter with the Troika guys as lead designers, I'm not giving them any more money ahead of time.

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ok, maybe also if if they get the Planescape license

 

I'd like to see them. What they lookin like? Still shit?

 

Who is this, and what have you done with FeelTheRads?

 

got my money back YMMV

 

Meh, what can I say. Might be the sleeper storyfag within me, but despite some big annoyances I still find it enjoyable.

And it's definitely an improvement over Turdland 2 which really didn't have much going for it.

 

Still no GOG pre-orders. They ain't coming for non backers he?
I guess this will save myself from the abysmal seduction of wasting
my lifetime with another of Fargos pipe dreams...

 

How would you compare W2 gameplay and TTON ?

 

In W2 it's crap in this one it's nonexistent.

No, seriously, it's an adventure game or visual novel or whatever, but I find this aspect decently done. I at least am curious to talk to the NPCs and find out bits of information and see what happens next. The labyrinth is also a nice idea about which I'm curious how it will turn out. Quests are good and thankfully so far I was not asked to collect turds and cat litter as opposed to their other hurr hurr so funny gaem.

And the crises... well, that's another idea that's good in theory but kinda fails in practice. First, they should be an opportunity to use ciphers, but that didn't really seem necessary. Too easy? And of course, their main attraction, that of being able to interact with stuff in the area to help you, is completely destroyed by the recent great addition of on-screen walkthroughs. Because there isn't much to just whacking some shitty enemies each turn. So, unless they make them more challenging and remove the walkthroughs, avoid crises at all costs.

 

Don't necessarily avoid Crises, they are easy. Just roleplay them. I mean, if you want to kill character X, just go ahead and fight/kill it. Just understand the combat is more of a nuisance in the way of the story. Thankfully, it's very rare and short.

It's an adventure game with skill points, kinda like Quest for Glory in SPAAAAACE in the far future.

 

neger, bitte

 

Iren is right, this has more in common with a cyoa game like sorcery than a "proper" rpg.

PST was much the same, difference beeing that it was much better written.

I remain ambiguous about this project, I guess my enjoyment will depend on the lenght of the adventure, and the depth of the c&c.

 

Move into the spoiler section of the forum plz

 

Jeez, thanks, what a big favor they're doing.

"If you don't want it." Fuck off, there's no reason to want them in the first place, all they do is ruin the main attraction of the crises.
Funny the disclaimer at the end too, the corporate speak is strong in this one.

 

1. none of the crisis encounters were ever designed with the objectives element in mind
2. we'll be adding a game option to turn off the crisis objectives element on screen if you don't want it

So you design crises without objectives in mind, somehow add objectives without making an option to disable them and plan to make the button to turn them off. I do not get the logic.

 

Dude, he's just babbling some standard corporate drivel. Basically, it can be translated to "no matter what you do you get the same result therefore it's not our fault". It's not supposed to actually be logical.

Even using the term objectives to describe walkthroughs is a beautiful piece of corporate bullshit.

We already knew they weren't designed with walktroughs in mind as these suddenly appeared after the Techland deal. My bet is this is Techland's doing because how can players figure out to do stuff if you don't tell them exactly what to do?
Btw, I'm not sure if the various quest directions that sometimes appear in dialogues but more often in the journal were like that before or they're also new? Stuff like "hurr hurr i found a thingamabob i should go ask those people i met in that area cuz they know about thingamabobs durr"

 

Things were signposted from the start. One of my biggest criticisms of the first beta build was just that. The initial quests dovetail too neatly, aligning perfectly with your objectives, and each step is explicitly described in the journal.

It does get a bit less handholdy after you find Matkina and there are some things that take some actual digging. I still have hope for the Bloom; it was pretty cool in the setting book, and also it's Ziets' design.

 

Vanga mode on : I foresee that @gziets will become another fallen codex idol like Sawyer

 

Did they answer about The Toy? The concept sounds interesting, at least on paper.

 

It’s the logic of trying to please two incompatible audiences at the same time. They inserted this handhold retardness to please their main audience, consoletards, and now promised to implement the option to turn that of to please grognards. When they say that “none of the crisis encounters were ever designed with the objectives element in mind” what you should read is “the publisher force us to implement these idiotic screens to please consoletards", which is not true by the way.

 

Fuck fargo. Fuck techland. Fuck consoles.

No console ownere wants to play a game like this, why do they even bother?