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Totally Not Corrupt Professional Objective Gaming Journalism DRAMA

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by fizzelopeguss, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. Ninjerk Arcane

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    Does GT make independent trailers?
     
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  2. Jaedar Arcane Patron

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    Not really. They do make some 'original' content in the form of reviews and top 10 lists and so on.
     
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  3. Ninjerk Arcane

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    So....... basically the moron was dead on. They provide nothing that someone else couldn't provide (ie. hosting trailers made by the developer/publisher(s) whose cost is included in the price of the game, softball 7-10/10 AAA reviews, and so-generic-they're-pointless lists). Am I wrong here?
     
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  4. Jaedar Arcane Patron

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    Nope, you're pretty much right. They're basically a generic gaming vidya review site except they use video instead of text.
     
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  5. 7/10 Learned

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    The spreadsheet is broken in Excel 2010. Get a real office suite next time.
     
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  6. Angthoron Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Fucketh me, I was fooled into clicking on a video with Pachter in it.
     
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  7. Black_Willow Arcane

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    Oh LOL, that entitled white cis privilaged male.
    Why provide people with some unique content good enough to actually pay for it? Let's make a youtube video where we call someone an 'idiot' instead.
     
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  8. Dim Not sure if advertising plant?

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    Wanna donate to my kickstarter to buy me Excel or would you rather support FOSS? Could not open xlsx in anything had to convert to csv. 6mb in cvs : 112mb in xlsx.
     
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  9. Cadmus Arcane

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    I watched just the adblock part and couldnt tell if the video was a parody or not. Who is Pachter or wtf? Is it a joke video or for real? Cuz if its for real its the most retarded thing ever. The whole point the mail was making was that the shitty trailer website provides no service thus theres no reason to support them. ALl they do is rehost bullshit PR videos and such and I dont even care to find out if its true. I havent been on any gaming website for years cuz its pointless
     
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  10. sea inXile Entertainment Developer

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    GameTrailers makes podcasts/vlogs, interview content and cover major press events, previews, reviews, editorials, and so on - basically everything you get out of a site like IGN but without the written stuff. I'd say GameTrailers provides a service to a market given its user community and the fact that it's been around as long as they have (2006ish?). Whether or not you value that coverage, I think the fact that it is still around shows there must be people out there who like the site and the content it produces.

    In other words, though the trailers get people to visit, much like IGN, GameSpot, etc., it has a dedicated viewership which enjoys the additional content and community. That is as much the selling point (if not far more) than the trailers themselves.

    Pachter did sort of make a point there that's worth repeating - if you want to go watch the stuff on YouTube, YouTube is there. But, if you want the kind of content that sites like GT provide, well, that's why they exist.
     
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  11. Dr Tomo Learned

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    Uh actually that is false, they have been going down the shitter like all "video game news" sites. (gamesutra link) Not enough people value their coverage if Viacom dropped them fast.


     
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  12. Cadmus Arcane

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    This is really not a point, it's stating the obvious "if you like GT's content, you should watch them". If I remember correctly, the letter in the video said "why the fuck should I watch the ad-infested shit site that is GT when I can use youtube for the same thing" and the answer was offtopic "they make content you are a scum for using ADblock"

    Can you tell me whether the video is real or parody? I don't want to watch the whole thing
     
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  13. Destroid Arcane

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    The only time I ever see this guy talking it's trollish stuff coming out of his mouth, I guess he just enjoys being inflammatory, he seems like some kind of videogame shock jock.
     
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  14. sea inXile Entertainment Developer

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    Let me clarify. There are two points at play here:

    1. Cost of content production
    2. Entitlement to free content

    The first is what I was trying to say above - that different standards of content have different production values. GameTrailers very obviously has higher expenses than your average YouTube channel. My speculation is that these expenses, and not lack of viewers themselves, led to the recent events described in that article.

    The second is that it costs money to produce content - if you are actively avoiding paying for that content by skipping ads then you are not supporting the content creator. I don't want to draw a direct comparison with piracy, but the two are definitely not unlike each other. I think content creators have every right to be upset about people enjoying their content and then not compensating them for it.

    Unfortunately I don't think Pachter clearly responded to either, but I think that's more or less what he was trying to say in the video above.
     
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  15. Cadmus Arcane

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    I think it's fucking stunning how when everything else fails, the businesses try to guilt people into paying them.
     
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  16. J1M Arcane

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    That's like saying youtube is a pointless site. They serve as a way for people to easily find game trailers.

    Also, their FFXIV review was pretty funny.
     
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  17. AngryEddy Self-Ejected

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    Woah, a Jew trying sucker the white man in to giving him money, that's weird!
     
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  18. Dr Tomo Learned

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    I would say that the cost of production and lack of viewers themselves is the reason for GT's spiral as I am skeptical they get as many viewers in comparison to a site's like The Escapist and Machinima. Also it really comes no surprise that people skip ad's using ad block since it offers pretty good protection against site's being lazy with curating ad's. If anything the the demise of many of these sites comes from amateurs that also have crappy editors, production of crappy content, and mismanagement. Defy Media & PC Gamer seems to be doing fine unless someone posts evidence otherwise and I believe it mainly comes from mismanagement.
     
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  19. sea inXile Entertainment Developer

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    GameTrailers was actually bought by Defy Media so who knows, maybe you're right and the site is on track for a rebirth. :) I definitely remember that years ago, GameTrailers was the best place to get HD video (well before it was on YouTube), and maybe now that is not a significant advantage anymore. I can also see how being semi-merged into Spike TV would have diluted the site's focus.
     
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  20. Dr Tomo Learned

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    “Game Critics Aren’t Professionals, They Just Pretend To Be”

    Original link (reddit)

    Not sure if this has been posted already but this has generated a lot of hate in the comment section of the article website and also reddit comments. Is it true that game critics aren't professionals?
     
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  21. Zewp Arcane

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    Absolutely. His inability to recognize the truth and unwillingness to do something about it is the best proof of him just being a hack playing at being a critic. If you're being told you're unprofessional, you don't stick your fingers in your ears and tell everyone "this is what you get, deal with it." You do a bit of proper introspection and see if you can't make any changes for the better.

    The videogame news industry is widely derided and for very fucking good reason. It's filled with people who couldn't make it in the real world.
     
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  22. Ebonsword Arcane

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    LOL, seriously?

    Well, hell, I guess I'm a professional astronaut then, because I consider myself to be one.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob7Fin6aVtA#t=70
     
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  24. Cadmus Arcane

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    This is exactly what I would expect a special needs child to respond after having been encouraged by his teacher in murica "GO JOHNY BELIEEV IN YOUR SELF, YOU CAN BE AN ASTRONAUT EVEN IF YOU DONT HAVE EYES AND LEGS!"
     
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