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Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by The Game Analists, Nov 14, 2016.

  1. PulsatingBrain Huge and Ever-Growing Patron

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    I completed the game on hardcore 4 times and all I can say is, you're remembering a much harder game than it actually is. Were you using difficulty mods? I found the ammo types negligable, I was actually pissed that I had to use a mod to get my 2 key unbound from change ammo type.
     
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  2. S0rcererV1ct0r Liturgist

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    Well, A T-51b power armor which depending on your side you will gonna face a army with that type of armor, can give 31 DT. A battle rifle with normal .308 rounds can deal 48 (57.1 with all perks) damage. That is 17(48-31) damage only per shot or 8 damage if you are playing on very hard meaning that you will need dozens of shots to take out a BoS paladin. If you use .308 AP, you will gonna deal 0,95* 48-(31-15) since the AP round deals 95% damage but ignores 15 DR, or 29.6 damage, changing from normal .308 to armor piercing, increases your damage output by almost 2x vs this types of enemies. And in a DLC, i believe that there are armored robots with 40 DT. Anti materiel rifle has 110 damage. Even without armor piercing rounds, it will deal 79 damage per shot(110-31)

    Animals without armor in other hands, my .45-70 Brush Gun can OHK then if i use hollow point but require 2 shots if i don't use.

    Fallout 3 doesn't have DT meaning that the highest DPS gun is always the best gun regardless of the enemy armor... A 9mm SMG on fallout 3 would kill someone in power armor faster than a .308 battle rifle https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Damage_Threshold

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    And this is why flat amount damage reduction is better than damage reduction by percentage. You homogenize weapons/armor too much if your body armor can reduce 50% of the damage from a .22 LR silenced pistol or from a .50 BMG armor piercing incendiary
     
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  3. TemplarGR Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    Troika never made a good game.
     
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  4. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    Neither are better, they both have their uses and both do a good job at modeling different types of protection.
    (DT = flat, DR = percentage)
    e.g., in a fantasy game, plate armor would make sense to have high DT(especially against slashing type attacks) and some DR, with the gambeson worn under it providing a reasonable amount of DR and little to no DT.
     
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  5. Thac0 Maybe we have trash taste ... Patron

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    Living up to that victory in 2018 I see.
     
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  6. Darth Canoli Cipher

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    Don't try so hard, you don't have any chance to get 2020's trophy, Ontopoly is in da house and secured his win already in 5 month ... New record ?
     
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  7. TemplarGR Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    You want more red pills of alpha rpg connoissaur?

    The kickstarter era harmed the RPG genre more than anything else. The market was flooded with overhyped indie trash competing with proper RPGs for monies and gametime, thus creating a bad situation and forcing proper RPGs out of the market. Only 1 or 2 games from kickstarter were any good. The nice thing is that this era is over, and once Bethesda gets their head out of their butts, CRPG game design will advance again with the Elder Scrolls VI.
     
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  8. Alphard Educated

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    even for a bethestard hoping bethesda will provide anything meaningful to rpg genre is so delusional i don't even know how to reply to such laughable statement.
    if anything next ES will be even more streamlined to make it playable by literally everyone, from a 5 yo to 90 grandma
     
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  9. NJClaw Ontopolover Patron

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    Jesus, where have you been this whole time? Finally someone who manages to trigger me as the Lord commanded.

    Who forced what out of the market and how, exactly? It should be hard for a bunch of studios without money and hopes to kick out of the marked the biggest behemoths in the videogame industry, don't you think?

    Then I agree, most of the Kickstarter stuff is crap, but that's another topic.
     
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  10. laclongquan Arcane

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    Fallout 1/2 simply ruin the shotgun category. Earlier when shotgun can use doubleshot mode it's okay. But now there's generally nothing of the soul of shotgun users left.
     
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  11. razvedchiki Liturgist

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    try underrail for some hot shotgun action.
     
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  12. Alphard Educated

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    yeah keep playing games with 2000 graphic
     
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  13. TemplarGR Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    He probably owns a 2000 era PC, so it is understandable.
     
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  14. S0rcererV1ct0r Liturgist

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    RPG codex is just the high fantasy version of stormfront.
     
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  15. Dramart Educated

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    You're right they didn't make good games. They made great games.
     
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  16. Tancred Educated

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    DXHR is a better game than Alpha Protocol in every single way.
     
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  17. TemplarGR Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    Let me explain it to you plainly so you can understand:

    Games and gamers don't exist in a vacuum. Gamers are a known quantity (there are only so many white* autists with disposable income and time to actually buy and play CRPGs, they are a finite source). So every RPG developer competes with the other RPG developers for those sweet sweet sheckels, player time, and player/media hype. Every single time an RPG makes a splash in the market, it removes some sheckels, hype attention, and player time, from the available pool to other RPGs. Since RPGs are also typically huge games to finish.

    That is the problem when the market is flooded with overhyped, overrated indie trash. It removes a lot of resources from the actually monocled quality stuff. If you are wasting time to play DOS2, you are not wasting it at playing Kangmaker, for example. See where this is going?

    By the way, this also happens from the other end. Extremely superior well made CRPGs, can drown the filth and dominate the market all by themselves. Games like Skyrim and Fallout 4, drain a huge part of the market for themselves, just because of their sheer quality. That is why other major devs are very afraid to compete in the same market and don't attempt to release AAA Skyrim clones and Fallout 4 clones, despite Bethesda selling a boatload of copies with each major Gamebryo iteration.

    *autists of other colors in Asia and Africa and S. America typically pirate that shit so no sheckels there
     
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  18. TemplarGR Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    Only hipsters say Alpha Protocol was a good game. It may have had a nice story and nice dialogue and C&C. I wouldn't know. I didn't come far. It was so buggy, it controlled like SHIIIIIIIITTTTTT and it also had that stupid hacking stuff. I just insta-uninstalled, life is too short for that garbage. I don't care about C&C, if i want C&C, i can live my real life. If your game is not enjoyable to play as a video game, throw it in the trash bin.

    As for Deux Ex Human Revolution, it was awesome. Pure awesomeness. It was much better than the original Deux Ex in most ways that matter. Of course again, nostalgia fags and hipsterfags love to present the original Deus Ex like some kind of Godlike production that will never be surpassed in quality in centuries because it is "god" or some shit.

    Us proper gamers who enjoy the progression of modern video games, know that Human Revolution and Mankind Divided are great Deus Ex prequels. I just wish the trilogy to end at some point. The story of that trilogy would have been AWESOME, judging from some easter eggs in Mankind Divided, and some comments from the voice actor.... Because of spoiled brats who complained about praxis points and review bombed MD, we might never see this. That is why we can't have good things.
     
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  19. S0rcererV1ct0r Liturgist

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    Are you joking? A company like Troika could make modern versions of Arcanum and VtMB if they had access to kickstarter and similar platforms. Are you saying that AAA games are better than Indies? That Diablo 3 is better than path of exile? That dragon age inquisition is better than kingmaker?

    OwlCat without kickstarter would had to secure a publisher for pathfinder kingmaker and the publisher would probably force then to "follow trends" than to make a amazing RPG.

    Like what? Name one "overhyped overrated indie trash". Just one.

    If you don't like, you can stay with your Dialog wheel cooldown based wow cone Nº 35654683551

    I an happy with OwlCat and similar companies having a chance to make games having to please the buyers, not what publishers believes that consumers want. And guess what : This games sells. "Titles by this segment saw sales of $27.6 million, with the release of Dakar 18 and Pathfinder Kingmaker cited as key performers" https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...rdics-net-sales-up-1-403-percent-to-usd139-5m

    Yes, because every country in south america is poor, Chile is not similar in GDP per capta to some European countries and there are no people of color on US nor white people in south Africa or in south america. In fact, the last Emperor of Brazil, son of a European father and mother is brown due a geographical magical mutation, but all of his partent's aren't. That blonde guy in clearly brown > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_II_of_Brazil#/media/File:RetratodompedroIIcrianca.JPG

    And there are no regional pricing in poorer regions either, including white majority poor regions like most part of Eastern Europe. Companies like GoG localize services on that regions only to waste money since everyone piracy their games. And everyone who enjoy RPG has autism /sarcasm

    Are you crazy? Skyrim is only popular due mods. And Fallout 4 is the worst shit ever. It has even dialog wheel...

    Fallout 76 with hours long bug compilations are pure AAA quality. How dare people spend money on underrail and not in this masterpiece!!!!

     
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  20. NJClaw Ontopolover Patron

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    Give me actual relevant examples or you are talking about nothing. The D:OS2 / Kingmaker one doesn't make any sense for two reasons:
    - both games have been incredibly successful;
    - both games came out of Kickstarter.

    Obviously the market can be saturated since everyone can only play a finite number of games during a given period of time, but going from that to "thanks to Kickstarter the market is flooded with trash indie RPGs so there is no more market for actual good stuff" is a big leap. What trash indie RPGs are you talking about? Which good RPGs "drowned in the filth" of a saturated market and weren't able to sell?

    During this Kickstarter craze that supposedly "drowned" good games with trash, Bethesda published (at least that I know of) 4 games: Skyrim Online, Fallout 4, The Elder Scrolls: Blades and Fallout 76. Almost a game each year (and half of them are mobile trash or out of time MMO). Do you think they could have published more RPGs if there were no D:OS2 and Kingmaker? And do you really think that those games would have been better than D:OS2 and Kingmaker? I mean, they put out FUCKING MOBILE GAMES. CDPR developed and published The Witcher 3 and two giant expansions and started working on an incredibly ambitious project like Cyberpunk 2077.

    What the fuck are you talking about, man?
     
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  21. TemplarGR Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    Alright, let me educate the plebs, again, with my superior knowledge:

    1) I am not attacking Kickstarter. I believe it is a nice tool, but predictably it has been misused. When i am talking about the "kickstarter era", i am not talking against Kickstarter itself. I am talking about the majority of crpgs that spawned from it. It is the games i criticize, not Kickstarter itself

    2) AAA games are preferable than indies. If you could have let's say Age of Decadence or Underrail on Dragon Age inquisition's engine and EA production values, with every single other aspect (story, dialogue, gameplay) left unchanged, wouldn't you? You bet you would. You are a sucker for eye candy and voice acting like ALL of gamers. You only suffer through indies because you are looking for some "hardcore" aspects and there are no AAA offerings for those aspects, and the only sperg devs willing to design games for sperg players have only so much resources available to develop them.

    3) Yes, games sell on all regions of the globe. But the big fat chunks of money come from certain markets. Asia (except Japan and China in recent years), Africa, and S. America combined, can't make up USA alone in revenue.

    4) Dialogue wheel is not a bad thing if properly implemented.

    5) Skyrim is not "played only for mods". Most people don't mod Skyrim much, if at all. Console people didn't even have access to mods at all. And to show you how clearly out of touch and insane you are, name me the most popular mods of Skyrim. Do they fundamentally change the core of the game? NO, is the answer. The most popular ones are unofficial patch, Sky UI, and a few others that just add some textures, weapons, armors, etc. Thus, they just add content, or improve graphics. The core of the game is the fucking same. Modded Skyrim is just "enhanced core Skyrim". So people don't play Skyrim "because of mods", they play it with mods because it enhanced the experience already in Skyrim. This myth of "skyrim is only played because of mods" is retarded, and fake news, like most of the shit butthurt spergs make up here on the codex. It is like saying that people play BG2 or Fallout 2 only because of the high res mod.

    6) Fallout 4 is even more a clear case of "mods don't make the game", because there are no great mods at the moment. The most popular ones just add settlement stuff, like the SimSettlement mod. Or add guns and unofficial patches and armors.... There is no total conversion mod yet. People who play modded FO4 still play core FO4. And FO4 is awesome, one of the best CRPGs ever made. That is why the masses enjoy it.

    7) Fallout 76 was never meant to be a core single player RPG. It is a spinnof. Badly made, for online sperging. It is much better these days though. Still better than most indie shit you people are playing.
     
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  22. NJClaw Ontopolover Patron

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    Oh, I didn't know we were talking about things that could never happen, not even in a million years. Nice to know.
     
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  23. Thac0 Maybe we have trash taste ... Patron

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    You did it, the first thing in here that properly triggered me.


    You are not gonna get every other aspect unchanged. Never. If your game consumes a budget the size of Dragon Age Inquisition it has to be diluted down until it becomes a lifeless husk to make the sales more safe. Having ambitious mechanics or an ambitious story is a massive risk, and failing with a AAA budget means you are out of business. All your programmers are unemployed now and you are in massive debt, depending on the structure of your company.
    Remember, Planescape:Torment flopped. The majority of customers dont want incline, they want popcorn entertainment after a hard workday.
     
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  24. Citizen Arcane

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    Age of Decadence? Sure, it's ugly AF. Underrail? It's visuals are perfect for the game's atmosphere, I would never want it to be ugly bioware-style 3d

    Eye candy doesn't mean high production values or expensive 3d graphics, retard. Eye candy means consistent and interesting artstyle. STYLE, not tech behind it. Underrail and PoE are much better looking games that any bioware or bethesda ugly 3d crap

    Name one single thing dialogue wheel does better than just listing dialogue options? Apart from being easier to use with console controller. Dialogue wheel just leads to simplification by reducing the amount of options

    BTW kys bethestard
     
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  25. Thac0 Maybe we have trash taste ... Patron

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    Also fuck voice acting. Useless money sink that it is. I skip the dialogue ahead after reading the text box before even 30% of the audio has played in 80% of rpgs I play. Bless the Japanese for making voice acting rare in their games.

    (I feel like this has the potential to trigger so it stands alone)
     
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