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Underrail: The Incline Awakens

Discussion in 'Underrail' started by Blaine, Dec 18, 2015.

  1. flabbyjack Arcane

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    Oculus questline is so so easy to miss, especially if you answer one of the early quest-giver's game of 20 questions incorrectly, or finish one of several quests in a suboptimal way... like killing everyone at the prison and freeing the guy instead of sneaking in. I almost had to reverse engineer the save game file (after decompressing it, of course), but there were already instructions online on what to edit.

    It's definitely a neat locale that you don't want to skip though.
     
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  2. Whisper Arcane Vatnik

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    Cube is taken from you by Six.
     
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  3. sqeecoo Arcane

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    So how would you guys build a psi character with the expansion? All four disciplines? Or dropping out one or more? In other words, is Temporal Manipulation a must-have now?
     
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  4. Whisper Arcane Vatnik

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    For Dominating is must have.

    For other difficulties, just convinience.

    Extra 20 ap and 30 mp is just too good.
     
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  5. hello friend Arcane

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    str 4 (6 from ratking armour and power fist)
    dex 4
    agi 10
    con 4
    per 5 (3 from gas mask)
    will 12
    int 5

    dodge 203 effective
    evade 203 effective

    0 armour penalty

    Thought Control 226 effective
    Psychokinesis 226 effective
    Metathermics 226 effective

    paranoia
    blitz
    evasive action
    nimble
    quick pockets
    tranquility
    force user
    thermodynamicity
    cryogenic induction
    meditation
    locus of control

    got a med frequency shield emitter (485 capacity) 12/39/73/107/144
    utility belt

    299 health
    125 psi
    80 move
    26 initiative

    molotov
    he mk3
    frag mk3
    caltrops (burrower, crawler)
    adrenaline
    morphine
    flashbang
    biocide nade (only 3 left)

    health+psi hypos

    root soda

    I did the puzzle and TNT'ed the tanks already.
     
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  6. Parabalus Arcane

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    How much damage does your proxy-implosion-tk do? It should reliably one-shot Tchort without issues. Are you on DOM difficulty?

    Fancy pants optimizing is 75 TC, 70 TM and 160 rest.

    You can really do whatever with full PSI.

    TM by itself is op on every char build.
     
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  7. hell bovine Arcane

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    hello friend

    Ok, that's a bit suboptimal for a psi user due to low intelligence & lack of premeditation, but your psi skill are still high enough for normal or even hard difficulty, provided you have the abilities.
    Get close using stealth. Set up a telekinetic proxy. Then you can either try destabilization on a tentacle > implosion > finish it off with whatever, then try to finish tchort with a telekinetic punch and neural overload spam. Or you can implosion and telekinetic punch directly on tchort, followed by neural overload spam. I think (but I might be wrong about this, because I don't actually remember) that mind effects work on the tentacles, so you could locus > mass enrage to keep them off your back if they cause you problems.
     
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  8. hello friend Arcane

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    fml

    I might have significantly misunderstood how telekinetic proxy works.

    Oh fuck if I'd known this earlier in the game.

    Oh man
     
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  9. hello friend Arcane

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    Oh man
     
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  10. Grampy_Bone Magister

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    Yeah the only thing you're missing is Mania for guaranteed crit but double-fisting Tchort should almost certainly kill him after Implosion, especially with Force User. Just need to survive the tentacles.
     
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  11. Fenix Cipher Vatnik

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    It's by no means impossible.
    The only one grenade I used - and that's not always - is the Jack Quicksilver quest with decoy/gang, that's all.
    Past that you don't need this grenade-things.
    You don't need them even as melee - I did Depot A last time with ease, melee is silent, it's a big advantage.
    I did it with shotguns - used 1 flashbang or so, died once (except my clumsiness on minefield where died twice).
    I'll suggest to Styg make grenades less powerful and less obvious OP because it hrm new players - they don't want to learn how to fight tactically, instead they just spam crutches left and right. And I'll do that right now.

    You played classic EXP? Then you shot yourself in the leg.

    True, as for the rest USE SPOILERS YOU, YOU!
     
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  12. hell bovine Arcane

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  13. Wunderbar Arcane

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  14. sqeecoo Arcane

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    Thanks! Do I really NEED Metathermics tho? I feel that robotic enemies are well covered with Psychokinesis and biologicals with TC, with locus of control providing AoE. Single-target power comes from comboing telekinetic proxy with implosion/fist. Am I wrong? What does Metathermics bring to the table except an easier early game?
     
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  15. ciox Learned

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    Longest range and additional crowd control once everything else is on cooldown.
     
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  16. Goromorg Learned

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    That's right, you can beat the game with TC and PK just fine, although investing 50 points into MT and 70 points into TM is well worth it.
    Temporal manipulation can be very powerful as a damage skill too.
     
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  17. Parabalus Arcane

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    TD is probably the strongest contributor late-game, without it you'll probably find yourself lacking AoE on harder difficulties, especially vs robots.

    FWIW I'm sure you can play around it, e.g. my first run I only had meta+TC, which worked fine except vs robots.

    I'd consider it more of a personal challenge, e.g. you can play with just TM, I think Sykar did this on DOM and didn't have much trouble, but it's def weaker than just standard.
     
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  18. sqeecoo Arcane

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    Thanks for the responses. Might go without metathermics then. And locus of control and telekinetic proxy are just too strong to ignore. I just like having enough points to spread out into crafting and persuasion and hacking/lockpicking (kinda needed on Oddity).

    Sorry, what do you mean by TD? Temporal distortion? Is it usable without focusing on it? I'd assume you need continuum ripple at least?
     
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  19. Fenix Cipher Vatnik

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    It's usable in 1 vs 1 fights or so, not usable in Beast fight for example.
     
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  20. Grampy_Bone Magister

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    I did 70 Temporal Manipulation, 160 other three. Still had (effective) 130 hacking, 100 lockpicking, 110 persuasion, 100 mercantile, 150 electronics, 100-ish tailor and mechanics, 50 Biology. Enough to make all the hypos I wanted and top-tier psi vest, headband, and a 1500 capacity shield. I had 25 points in pickpocket I could have put somewhere else and 50 or so in Stealth I probably didn't need due to Stealth-boosting equipment. Also had points in Traps that were useful midgame but probably a waste long term, I could have bumped up biology more and made more use of drugs.

    0 Dodge and Evasion which arguably made me squishy during the early-midgame but after level 15 it didn't matter anymore.

    So if you're going pure PSI why not take Metathermics? What are you saving the points for?
     
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  21. the mole Educated

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    I can't imagine someone actually taking the time to do the mutagen puzzle
     
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  22. PrK Educated

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    With this it's a piece of cake if you can't be bothered.
     
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  23. Goromorg Learned

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    With Continuum ripple it's pretty good.
    Most metathermic powers feels like wizard spells, so it's not for everyone's taste. And if you max thought control and psychokinesis you have enough tools to win any combat encounter.
     
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  24. hello friend Arcane

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    Piece of cake. My only problem now is figuring out if I should install the expansion and play again with a new character, or try out ATOM RPG. Also, now with Disco Elysium just around the corner...
     
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  25. ItsChon Resident Zoomer Patron

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    Expansion. Underrail is better than ATOM, and you'll finish Underrail before DE comes out I'd think.
     
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