Warcraft III: Reforged - now with lowest user metacritic score of all time

[ortucis]

Wow, that's just fucking stupid.

Then again, I never gave a flying fuck about the Warcraft lore. Might as well read Lord of the Rings, that's what they are trying hard to rip off anyway.

“When we went to Korea [for StarCraft: Remastered] and talked with pros and people still playing in game rooms, the overwhelming feedback was ‘Please don’t change the game,’” Stillwell said. “‘Make it pretty, give us a modern matchmaker and then quietly step away, Blizzard.’ Getting those marching orders made the endeavor not just easier but more focused. But with [Warcraft 3: Reforged], we’ve talked with the communities in Europe and in China [who say], ‘Hey, we don’t think this game is done.’”

Yeah that huge Warcraft 3 community from Chinese sweatshops everybody was familiar with. No wonder this retarded decision happened, Chinese and Europeans came together like dumbfuck brothers.

 

[A horse of course]

The absolute trash that passes for storytelling and dialogue in nuBlizz is the number one reason I never bought the Starcraft 2 expansions, never even thought about touching Reaper of Souls, and also a major reason for unsubbing from Battle for Azeroth after seeing where the writing was going in PTR and datamining leaks. Warcraft 3 was a great example of campy but functional fantasy brought to life by good production values, but as the cutscenes in their other games prove, you can't just throw money at writing that is physically painful in its cringiness.

 

[Average Manatee]

Are they remaking all of the campaign missions? I wouldn't object to replaying a remixed version of the campaign but at the same time I really don't see that being a sellable product. They didn't state they are redoing all the missions but only remaking a handful seems even more stupid.

The preview obviously used the original VO lines, if they are doing that they can't fuck around too much with retcons. Or they are retconning everything and still haven't penned their new epic saga of dumb shit. I wouldn't object to a bonus mission with Jaina showing something between the half way mark of the Human campaign and the last Night Elf mission, but Sylvannas already has basically half a campaign as an enemy (low point of the entire game IMO) and half a campaign playable.

If you can play multiplayer between W3 and W3:R they can't really be doing anything substantive with the world editor or actual gameplay besides the usual dartboard balance tweaks, so it looks like this is mostly a SP-focused remaster.

 

[A horse of course]

Are they remaking all of the campaign missions? I wouldn't object to replaying a remixed version of the campaign but at the same time I really don't see that being a sellable product. They didn't state they are redoing all the missions but only remaking a handful seems even more stupid.

The preview obviously used the original VO lines, if they are doing that they can't fuck around too much with retcons. Or they are retconning everything and still haven't penned their new epic saga of dumb shit. I wouldn't object to a bonus mission with Jaina showing something between the half way mark of the Human campaign and the last Night Elf mission, but Sylvannas already has basically half a campaign as an enemy (low point of the entire game IMO) and half a campaign playable.

If you can play multiplayer between W3 and W3:R they can't really be doing anything substantive with the world editor or actual gameplay besides the usual dartboard balance tweaks, so it looks like this is mostly a SP-focused remaster.

They said they're going to record everthing with the WoW VA.

 

[Average Manatee]

Welp, if they are redoing everything then at least we'll get a perfect, objective and scientific demonstration of the current level of decline. We have our control group in the original and Blizzard will be providing the test subject.

 

[Creamy Muffin]

So they're going to retcon everything just so it fits with WoW?

Jesus fucking Christ. Now they're shitting and raping their old franchises even retroactively. Nice one Blizz.

 

[Zeriel]

Wow, that's just fucking stupid.

Then again, I never gave a flying fuck about the Warcraft lore. Might as well read Lord of the Rings, that's what they are trying hard to rip off anyway.



Yeah that huge Warcraft 3 community from Chinese sweatshops everybody was familiar with. No wonder this retarded decision happened, Chinese and Europeans came together like dumbfuck brothers.

Arthas is a direct Elric expy, so that's not entirely correct. Elric is about as anti-Tolkien as you can get.

 

[ortucis]

Wow, that's just fucking stupid.

Then again, I never gave a flying fuck about the Warcraft lore. Might as well read Lord of the Rings, that's what they are trying hard to rip off anyway.



Yeah that huge Warcraft 3 community from Chinese sweatshops everybody was familiar with. No wonder this retarded decision happened, Chinese and Europeans came together like dumbfuck brothers.

Arthas is a direct Elric expy, so that's not entirely correct. Elric is about as anti-Tolkien as you can get.

I didn't say they copied everything from one source. Basic lore and ideas are all copied from Tolkien, then they copy bits and pieces from everywhere else.

Most boring and generic universe and it makes shitton of money for these people.

 

[vota DC]

Yep, they are going full retcon on it: https://www.polygon.com/blizzcon/20...aft-3-reforged-classic-compatibility-blizzcon

“Some of that, especially central characters like Jaina and Sylvanas, these people who mean so much more to the world now who didn’t get as much focus [in the original Warcraft 3] because we just didn’t know where they were going to be.”


Why? Jaina is the boss of the Alliance at the end of the game and she is present in half of Alliance maps and in the final map, where they want to place her now? Helping Arthas to recover Frostmourne? Helping Thrall to free orcs from cages? Helping Arthas to destroy Dalaran?
Sylvanas is just an annoying elf. She is little more than Zed in Hokuto no Ken: Zed is just a regular punk executed by Kenshiro but he is the first character we see executed with the 100 Crack Fist, same with Sylvanas a minor boss that become the first banshee.

This is just like a Morrowind patch with a huge quest to help Jiub killing all cliffracers!

 

[Delterius]

Now they're shitting and raping their old franchises even retroactively.

Now?

 

[Creamy Muffin]

Now they're shitting and raping their old franchises even retroactively.

Now?

New games are ignorable. This is actively erasing an old classic to further their shitty agenda.

 

[Delterius]

Now they're shitting and raping their old franchises even retroactively.

Now?

New games are ignorable. This is actively erasing an old classic to further their shitty agenda.

i dunno if the campaign turns out not shitty i could see myself downloading this grafix patch

if they are shitty i'm going to ignore them just as well

 

[ERYFKRAD]

I'm gonna download this and just play the custom maps. Wc3 doesn't even have barbarians anyway.

 

[Seethe]

I have to disagree with it being just a cash grab. It will have new content (Missions), and if you're a MP player, it will cleanse the maphacker scum away. Changing the VA is a big no-no though. Both the new Sylvanas and Arthas voice actors are bad

 

[Average Manatee]

it will cleanse the maphacker scum away.

For around 48-72 hours maybe.

 

[Makabb]

I'm gonna download this and just play the custom maps. Wc3 doesn't even have barbarians anyway.

wc3 single player is fun also, it has rpg elements, the characters travel from mission to mission.

 

[thesheeep]

Yeah, I'll play the campaign again and some custom maps as well.
I'll also ask people in the chat if they don't have phones.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

I'm gonna download this and just play the custom maps. Wc3 doesn't even have barbarians anyway.

wc3 single player is fun also, it has rpg elements, the characters travel from mission to mission.

Pretty limited RPG anyway. All you get to do is choose the items because everything will be auto levelled and by l10 you have all hero abilities.

 

[Makabb]

Yeah, I'll play the campaign again and some custom maps as well.
I'll also ask people in the chat if they don't have phones.

Dota? Back in the day that's what I used to do, after finishing the SP, i only played DOTA mulitplayer.

 

[thesheeep]

Yeah, I'll play the campaign again and some custom maps as well.
I'll also ask people in the chat if they don't have phones.

Dota? Back in the day that's what I used to do, after finishing the SP, i only played DOTA mulitplayer.

Nah, I always preferred tower defense.
That "splat!" of masses of enemies smashed by a cannon ball was very satisfactory.

 

[Makabb]

Yeah, I'll play the campaign again and some custom maps as well.
I'll also ask people in the chat if they don't have phones.

Dota? Back in the day that's what I used to do, after finishing the SP, i only played DOTA mulitplayer.

Nah, I always preferred tower defense.
That "splat!" of masses of enemies smashed by a cannon ball was very satisfactory.

Good times, when DOTA and tower defense was a map made by fans to a great game, and not a separate 'genre' in intself.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

i only played DOTA mulitplayer.

 

[Zed]

can't wait to play Elemental TD at 5 FPS when the last endless wave hits

 

[thesheeep]

can't wait to play Elemental TD at 5 FPS when the last endless wave hits

Or the host quitting on any map, triggering the big "successful host migration vs. everyone gets thrown out" roulette.

 

[Seethe]

Dota 3 soon