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Warcraft III: Reforged - now with lowest user metacritic score of all time

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by Dawkinsfan69, Nov 2, 2018.

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  1. Harthwain Scholar

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    SC and BW are better than SC2 story-wise.

    They added a few interesting gameplay improvements in SC2, but overall it wasn't groundbreaking (I'd say it was somewhere on the level of BW), so SC2 felt as a lot worse game than it actually was for people who were let down by the continuation of the story.
     
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  2. Dakka Learned

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    Careful now. Your hypocrisy is showing.
     
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  3. cvv Arcane Patron

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    And that's the only thing the original is better at. The writing in SC2, especially HotS, is full-on nuBlizzard retardery.

    But playing SC1 a few years back it felt like RTS prehistory. Most missions are "sit in base for 20 minutes > deathball everything". In comparison the mission structure, the unit variations, call-on abilities and other mechanics in SC2 are a significant improvement. Saying the original "is better at everything" is pure, unadulterated, comically blind fanboi nostalgia.
     
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    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Even if I like SC2, to me it felt like a 20 hour long tutorial. Only the last couple of missions give you free hands to do whatever. Some times it's good to have some regular build shit up and attack missions and I felt that was lacking.
     
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  5. Multidirectional Arcane

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    True but to me the garbage controls and pathfinding are really the biggest issue after getting used to SC2. SC2 might be a little too fast but I'll take fast with good controls over getting annoyed at stupid pathfinding and having to click every building individually all the time. It feels more like fighting a game and not the enemy. SC1 campaign sure has a lot better atmosphere but this is not a genre where that is anywhere as important as gameplay to me.
     
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  6. Daedalos Arcane The Real Fanboy

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    Singleplayer gameplay doesnt really suffer all that much from old school control systems like SC + BW, it's mangerable, especially at lower difficulties.

    In multiplayer it's another story, though. that's really you really seperate the wheat from the chaff. I love the SC remaster, it's great.

    SC2 was good too, at least the multiplayer was good.

    SC2 singleplayer was fucking dogshit compared to 1, in every way possible.

    SC and BW oozes atmosphere, world building and story in every orifice, while SC2 is just some rag-tag dumbed down bullshit love story
     
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  7. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    The only thing done better in SC2 is in between mission progression and the base. But in the end BW is the superior game.
     
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  8. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I think you mean 29:45
     
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  9. luj1 You're all shills

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    Of course it is. That's why SC2 is a dead game today, and BW is not.
     
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  10. Danikas Erudite

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    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Multidirectional Arcane

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    I don't know what the fuck people like you are smoking. It takes few seconds to find a game on any of the servers in SCII and absolute majority of times I'm matched against opponent that has almost exact same MMR as me. How the fuck is that a dead game? And when I tried few online games on SC R each search took fucking minutes. There's absolutely no way that more players today would prefer dealing with SC1 garbage controls to SC2.
     
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  12. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    The best music in Frozen Throne, and it gets the tone of TFT perfectly. Its also placed in the most perfect spot, in the Curse of the Blood Elves campaign, whose early scenarios are "Warcraft meets Post-Apocalypse". After the Scourge, after the Burning Legion, and now wars with the Scourge again and all the remaining demons and shit going around... there was no happy ending where everything went perfect and the heroes went out with the nice hippy happy sunrise. Sure Archimonde got taken down and the Legion defeated, but so what? Lordaeron is still a blasted, demon and undead-infested ruin, with the ones like Lord Garithos and Kael-Thas being the ones keeping it together... or trying to.

    Its the "Humans (and all their friends) just went through some shit", The Theme.
     
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  13. Danikas Erudite

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    Dont you like controling max 12 units at a time :hero:?
     
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  14. Diablo1_reborn Savant

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    WC3 soundtrack really was just average, sorry.

    Every other Blizzard title up to W3 had a way better OST.
     
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  15. Multidirectional Arcane

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    Or not being able to select more than one building at a time. Also not being able to shift-queue anything other than unit move commands. Or workers not even auto harvesting when rallied to resources. Or constantly fighting those 12 unit groups on where the fuck they should be going. Or not being able to even cast spells if you have more than one caster of same type selected, or it selected with any other units. Yes, majority of players surely will give up all the conveniences of SC2 for this epic stuff. It's tolerable in campaign where you can quicksave and lower speed, but fuck if I'm ever gonna bother learning to deal with that shit when battling human players. Also from what I hear community in SCII is way nicer overall, while BW is full of butthurt pricks with sticks up their asses. "Muh real skill" and all that crap.
     
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  16. skacky Prestigious Gentleman 3D Realms Developer

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    Nothing will beat the Warcraft 2 soundtrack, but Warcraft 3 and TFT had a banging soundtrack too. I will say that overall the soundtrack to StarCraft 2 was rather forgettable, despite some really good Terran tunes.
     
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  17. samuraigaiden Learned

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    What's so bad about Warcraft 3?
     
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  18. Diablo1_reborn Savant

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    Besides the art style? Nothing really.
     
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  19. Black Arcane

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    Faggot orcs for one.
     
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  20. dawcio Learned

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    It had only one expansion
     
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  21. luj1 You're all shills

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  22. Storyfag Arcane Patron

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    They made the Lich King out of Ner'zhul instead of Gul'dan :obviously:
     
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  23. <3sRichardSimmons Arcane Patron

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    2002 is early 3D now? It had been around for a full decade at that point. Regardless, WC3 graphics were fine, albeit not up to the standard set by 2. Orc faction art design in particular was pretty weak across the board, partly as a function of them being retconned from bloodthirsty monsters to noble savages. Undead were pretty kewl though.
     
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  24. AdamReith Learned Patron

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    At the time they were hyping the infernal as their own faction but in the end they were just a handful of enemy units in the campaign or summoned by items.

    I told you that you would one day pay for that Blizzard, I told you!

    :killit:
     
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  25. cvv Arcane Patron

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    WC3 art style infected fantasy gaming with goofy oversized gear and elephantiasis limbs for the next decade. Everyone who doesn't harbour deep hatred for that abomination should be fed to warthogs.
     
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