Game News Wasteland 2 Kickstarter Update #34: Gamescom Demo Video, First Dev Diary Released

Meant it in a more relative sense of course. Something like the husband running up immediately after offing the wife isn't something you'd find in Fallout.

Which is why the Fallout demo didn't start in the Rat Cave; it didn't convey the feel of the game in its entirety. The W2 demo does start in a corridor-type map: which is what I'm basing my assumptions on.

 

Goddamn popamole ruining everything.

They're in the cutting stuff down period, I think. In before "sorry guise, but cover systam AND turn based just doesn't work"

 

Goddamnit

But c'mon mang, can you at least agree with me that it's extremely likely, whether you think that's a positive or not, that they're going for a more scripted (or, if you want, more "event-based"), less hub-based, less open game than FO1 and 2?

And not sure what the point is of commenting on design docs, but I guess it does look a bit more open than the map shown in the demo. No idea how it turns out in practice.

 

Is an isometric game like Fallout 1 and 2 harder or easier to make than a 3D game like Wasteland 2? cost efficient way too, is it cheaper or more expensive?

 

Difficulty in design is about the same i imagine. 3D is cheaper than 2D if you go the "painted" IE way for 2D because artists cost money.

 

I'm guessing more expensive/hard because of all the work on sprites. Probably even more so if you're not going with the building block environments of Fallout but with the painted backgrounds of IE games.

I remember looking up the budgets a while ago and they seemed identical (FO1 had something like a 3 mil budget and that's what the Kickstarter campaign for W2 brought in), but I assume that doesn't translate to "as expensive", right?

 

When they made Fallout 1 and 2, the technology and tools available at the time made those two much more time consuming to produce, therefore expensive than Wasteland 2.

 

Ah right. Never meant to give that impression. I'm sure they have hubs/towns, just that they're not nearly as much the focal point they were in the FO's (or Arcanum, or PS:T).

 

Not the same. You simply happened to be in the store when someone tried to kill him. It's a bit of a cliche maybe, but it works well, presenting the conflict in a 'dynamic' way. The husband, magically returning just when you put his wife out of her misery and attacking you on sight is bad design, whether you like it or not.

 

Thank you!

 

It all depends if he also appears with the medicine if you decide not ta kill her. If he does, it is the same type of a coincidence as in 'Killian assassination attempt' Fallout example.

Yes, I am assuming that he does not appear if you you don't kill her - and you then have to find the medicine yourself (with a time limit?). And yes, that would be bad design, as VD says.

 

Whining backers making clear what they would like to avoid if possible, so the Devs have a point of reference and feedback.

 

There's a difference between devs talking about a game in pre-production and them showing off a game in its polishing phase. If the PE demos and screenshots end up showing off only combat, and people who expected BG3 and not IWD3 get wary, is that still just irrational whining?

 

That will not happen.
EDIT: Ok, it actually might, but I'm still hoping for something more than IWD formula.

 

Well, they're also calling maps/locations levels so... myeah.

 

More importantly, such area design has implications to quest design. Consider the dying woman quest in the above map. Since the husband returns right after you kill the wife, it's fair to assume he's in the neighbourhood, and in a map like the above, the player might run into him first. Then his role in the quest has to be more natural than the seemingly-contrived role shown in the video.

 

Makes you wonder... he appeared really fast, so if you split your party on the path to the woman, will they see him coming all the way from the entry area, or will he just appear from thin air? Chances are, the later.