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Wasteland Wasteland 2 Pre-Release Discussion Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Discussion in 'inXile Entertainment' started by turrican, Feb 15, 2012.

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DarkUnderlord Bringing that old Raptor magic.

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kazgar said: ↑

So be it, I assume DarkUnderlord would have email addresses of all the donators who get copies and can pass that on to Inxile so the accounts can be created?
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Nope. I have usernames but not emails. Technically I could pull out the donation email or registration email but no guarantee that either would be correct for most of you tards.

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Brother None inXile Entertainment

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The system doesn't really allow for splitting off multiple accounts from one major pledge like that, nor does it have any accounts for non-direct backers. I think it'll work better with DU distribute the keys to his list of usernames when he gets them.

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Infinitron I post news

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Chris Keenan speaks: http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&p=79967#p79961

Hey guys,

We really are getting close to putting it in your hands. What we didn't fully anticipate was how big the demo is. Backers will easily spend 6+ hours on it. That's a full game in many new releases and it's just the first half of Arizona for us. While the level guys are cleaning up issues in their areas, we also need to essentially have all game systems at a point where they are functioning well enough to give you a good idea of the games feel. It means we're going through a modified version of gold mastering a game, minus the polish and iteration time.

By modified, I don't mean we're trying to remove all bugs or make sure each element is fully polished, but there is a ton to do just to make sure it's ready. We have to take a bit more of a critical eye on how the systems work and that takes time. In development, there is so much to do. Many times you need to stick and move on features early on to get the basics in so you can start to see how they mesh together. This means you get it working, then move on. Sometimes you live with things that might be wonky but function, since there is so much else that needs to go in. These unfinished features might be confusing to someone who just picks up the game for the first time, but since we've been working on it 18+ months, we know how to fudge it to make it work. Other elements are working great (and you can see everything great in the dev console) but when you hide the console, the lack of feedback hurts that feature. We are focusing on the worst offenders in these areas and have the luxury of not being contractually tied to a specific line in the sand, and that allows us to not have to make big concessions to keep the doors open and the team paid.

As a producer, it's important to have vision of what a feature can eventually be, but to be critical of it. Have we proved the feature out enough to believe it will be good with some clean-up and iteration or do we need to scrap it and try something else? This is how much of development goes as you get diminishing returns taking something too far early on. Now we're taking all the things that generally worked and making sure they can be understood by the player.

Our goal is not to take this beta to "completion" and send it out. We want feedback once it's in your hands. I'm a huge believer in iteration and now we can get the feedback on where it would be best to spend our time during the last part of development.

Chris
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What we didn't fully anticipate was how big the demo is. Backers will easily spend 6+ hours on it.
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Good gracious, clear your schedules folks.
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Do backers of Torment who are also receiving wasteland 2 as part of the package also get the demo or is it for Wasteland 2 backers exclusively ?.

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Infinitron I post news

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Echo Mirage said: ↑

Do backers of Torment who are also receiving wasteland 2 as part of the package also get the demo or is it for Wasteland 2 backers exclusively ?.
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The "demo" is the game's beta. You need to have bought the Wasteland 2 beta access addon.

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Damn. Just checked my pledge page. Looks like I may have to rattle some more shekels out of my jar for the privilege.

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Paying to beta is... I hate it, even if we're supporting what hopes to be a great game by doing so.
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set said: ↑

Paying to beta is... I hate it, even if we're supporting what hopes to be a great game by doing so.
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It is a little weird. In my case, hell, just being on their forums for the last 18 months has given me that much entertainment value, so I was OK with chipping in a little more. I'm not too jazzed about it as a business model, though.

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Seerix Arbiter

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Hey guys,

We really are getting close to putting it in your hands. What we didn't fully anticipate was how big the demo is. Backers will easily spend 6+ hours on it. That's a full game in many new releases and it's just the first half of Arizona for us. While the level guys are cleaning up issues in their areas, we also need to essentially have all game systems at a point where they are functioning well enough to give you a good idea of the games feel. It means we're going through a modified version of gold mastering a game, minus the polish and iteration time.

By modified, I don't mean we're trying to remove all bugs or make sure each element is fully polished, but there is a ton to do just to make sure it's ready. We have to take a bit more of a critical eye on how the systems work and that takes time. In development, there is so much to do. Many times you need to stick and move on features early on to get the basics in so you can start to see how they mesh together. This means you get it working, then move on. Sometimes you live with things that might be wonky but function, since there is so much else that needs to go in. These unfinished features might be confusing to someone who just picks up the game for the first time, but since we've been working on it 18+ months, we know how to fudge it to make it work. Other elements are working great (and you can see everything great in the dev console) but when you hide the console, the lack of feedback hurts that feature. We are focusing on the worst offenders in these areas and have the luxury of not being contractually tied to a specific line in the sand, and that allows us to not have to make big concessions to keep the doors open and the team paid.

As a producer, it's important to have vision of what a feature can eventually be, but to be critical of it. Have we proved the feature out enough to believe it will be good with some clean-up and iteration or do we need to scrap it and try something else? This is how much of development goes as you get diminishing returns taking something too far early on. Now we're taking all the things that generally worked and making sure they can be understood by the player.

Our goal is not to take this beta to "completion" and send it out. We want feedback once it's in your hands. I'm a huge believer in iteration and now we can get the feedback on where it would be best to spend our time during the last part of development.

Chris
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Wouldn't be easier to just say: "Hey guys, beta is almost done but we're ensuring it's solid enough that majority of your feedback will be actual problems it may have, not the stuff we are aware of." They sure like to talk a lot.

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Seerix said: ↑

They sure like to talk a lot.
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the role of a producer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LYvAKEDuuo
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Infinitron I post news

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set said: ↑

Paying to beta is... I hate it, even if we're supporting what hopes to be a great game by doing so.
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You'd better get used to it. Every Codex-approved classic in the foreseeable future is going to do this.

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Chaotic_Heretic Dumbfuck!

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Infinitron said: ↑

set said: ↑

Paying to beta is... I hate it, even if we're supporting what hopes to be a great game by doing so.
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Get used to it. Every Codex-approved classic in the foreseeable future is going to do this. It's the new way to make games.
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Or stop behaving like a junky and wait for the full release.

felipepepe said: ↑

Cliff Bleszinski, the Popamoler / Robert Kotick, the Corruptor / Gabe Newell, the Eater / John Riccitiello, the Prime Evil / Herve Caen, the Destroyer / Richard Garriot, the Absent Lord / Chris Avellone, the False Emperor.
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Bester said: ↑

Rather than getting sloppy seconds / Slurping some chad's jizz, / Tasting his sweaty dick cheese, / From your wife's thot anus, / Better die an incel, / From a heart attack in a brothel
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Generic-Giant-Spider said: ↑

The good thing about 5E is it's not 4E. / The bad thing about 5E is it's not 3.5.
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I actually upgraded to beta access just for something to play after exams. Looks like it was a bit of a waste of money though because I doubt it will be coming until Jan/Feb (maybe even March) next year now ... oh well (and no, I don't want a refund).

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Sensuki said: ↑

I actually upgraded to beta access just for something to play after exams. Looks like it was a bit of a waste of money though because I doubt it will be coming until Jan/Feb (maybe even March) next year now ... oh well (and no, I don't want a refund).
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Beta? Nah. I predict a couple weeks at most. :crystal ball emoticon:

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From what I gathered they want to hold off until it's more like a real beta. I kind of get the feeling they're not at beta stage yet.

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Could be. I'm not holding my breath, but I'm hopeful.

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Oh, they're at beta stage I'm pretty sure. I get the feeling they want to be in a "beta demo" stage (somewhere between beta and post-release playable demo)

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They want to leave a good impression.

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WL2 wallpapers from WL1 rerelease goodies:
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http://wastelandrpg.tumblr.com/post/66727144252/beta-community-is-setup-and-well-start-testing-it

“Beta community is setup and we’ll start testing it with a small group this week. We’re also having an offsite test tomorrow.”

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Please don't suck, please don't suck, please don't suck...

Tommy Wiseau said: ↑

You don't have your priorities straightened if the top three reasons for living aren't fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen.
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Andhaira said: ↑

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FeelTheRads Arcane

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Small group of what? Friends? Backers? Chickens? What's offsite testing?

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It might be the same 'friends and family' style beta that they were doing a while back, when Brother None was playing the game on steam. Might have been a case of "yeah, not *quite* beta worthy yet" and gone back and done a few weeks of polishing. Now they're trying it again.

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No, Rads guessed it. It's chickens.

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