Wasteland Wasteland 2 Pre-Release Discussion Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

I hope there won't be any civilized talking bipedal lizards, like in FO2 or Arcanum. Hate that stuff, such an immersion breaker.

 

I want to be a mayor of my city!

 

A good joke, but overlaboured

 

Since we are discussing FO2. Ok, I didn't mind Reno all that much. Lots to do and lots to see is probably the main thing, but it was just all too clean considering the surroundings consisted of mutated tentacle rapists. Porn star was ridiculous, and when you were boxing, you'd think you were in some beat down suburb of Chicago and not in a post-apoc setting.

Anyway, SF was just the last straw. A massive city and all they could think of was its China Town and more gangs fighting against each other?

 

That depends. To start with, I *am* a settingfag actually. All those blasters and ninjas and spaceships that plagued Ultima, Wizardry or M&M had always made me cringe. There is a reason I value Goldbox series above all of them combined, and that goes beyond them having a good combat engine: they had a developed, coherent, solid setting and were 100% serious about it. So I guess Knotanalt bro can accuse me of being a storyfag too No ninjas and blasters in my fantasy, please.

On the other hand, I have nothing but contempt to this whole "post-apocalyptic" crap. The basic Fallout setting is gutwrenchingly bland and boring, with nothing to stand out from the great gray mire of grimdark shit (and yes, it did pioneer that "shades-of-brown-grimdark" you all complain about nowadays). The lulz liberally thrown about is the only entertainment their setting can offer, as far as I am concerned. So, when it comes to "the spirit of the Wasteland", its Monty Python references are its only saving grace. It was those easter eggs I searched the "wastes" for, not another shitbrick village populated by shit hobos who sustain themselves on harvesting shit in the shit fields. Going fulltime parody would only improve it.

 

What? There's dozens of pre-Fallout RPGs with next to none silly easter-egg content. Enough that I really shouldn't need to make any lists of such.

 

At times I was ready to throw up the towel and cry in exasperation, really. Why the fuck were those fags breaking my immersion with their shit inside jokes, retarded puzzles and cross-culture references? I actually snubbed Dark Sun for a couple of years because I didn't want an RPG set in a sandnigger shithole. And Fallout was my first non-fantasy RPG - scifi was an anathema and I refused scifi RPGs outright (didn't knew of Buck Rogers back then, and the fact the rest of scifi RPGs were pretty crappy didn't help either). I was an easily impressable kid 20 years ago.

And I still get pissed off when a game expects me to believe a Big Evil Motherfucker I am out to nail has to solve some fucking crossword or switch a bunch of levers whenever he comes back home after a night of villainy. Puzzles are worse than blaster-swinging ninjas riding a spaceship.

 

One problem with the silliness in Fallout 2 was that if they called it a different game, maybe Big Trouble in Little California, it would have been acceptable. That way, all connections to Fallout would have been removed, and the silliness would stand on its own merit.

Instead,it became a sequel to a game which was largely serious save for a Doctor Who and a Godzilla reference.

 

Next-gen mondblut.

 

Dunno, fantasy was a love at first sight since I opened LOTR at 14, and remains that way. I might have developed a better taste for grimdark, black-and-grey-morality, everything-you-believe-is-a-lie stuff like Sapkowski, Martin and Cook, but I am nonetheless 100% entrenched in swords & sorcery.

Next-gen? That's a 16-bit mondblut, FFS.

 

This is... well... bullshit. Star Wars D6 was made that way. Story first, everything else second. And Michael Stackpole co-created that system, as well as Wasteland ironically. Also, we're not discussing about LARPing. That's something totally different. You can play story-driven RPG sessions without LARPing. As I did.

And no-one is saying that's what RPG is all about. What I'm saying is that's one of many and completely valid way to play RPGs.

 

People in this community can be really retarded sometimes.

Anyway, I'm hoping for a good and expansive toolkit so the community can continually improve the game and create new adventures (and nude sprites, of course).

 

Lol, no outrage here. Just pointing out you're making some seriously invalid statements like "focusing on story is a recent disease killing my trve norwegian black metal RPGs". It's neither new or wrong in any sense. You can have your preferences on RPGs, just don't state them as the only truth and don't back them up with made up facts.

What likaq said is irrelevant here.

This challenge can differ in form. It can be story-wise as well, a social problem to play out through your role, your character. Actually that's much closer to what "ROLE-PLAYING game" term states as it is.

 

Christ, this is pathetic. Why is there such an aversion for these people to create a party from scratch?

 

I Blame Brother None for how bad the wording in the poll is. The '6 party members created' option should be at the very top and clearly legible. The bottom is ok. The way the poll is setup, it sort of favors the old Wasteland 1 party recruitment, which is ok I guess but it clearly shows where the bias in this poll is.

 

No matter how many times gabriel77dan gets shot down, he never. backs. down. I recall him making that "main character does everything awesome and the others are combat mules" suggestion a few times already.

 

Just ignore him brah, and vote for the incline.

 

1) it's hard work and unimmersive
2) They can only roleplay one person at the time and that person is them, for example who would you give the romances to in this case, if you make them all cool like you are irl you can't decide arragh
3) A custom party means each member has no story of their own, and rpgs are about story

 

Absolutely. I remember the old porn sites (or warez) that had a disclaimer "if you are from the FBI, you cannot access this website" keeping the community clean of turncoats. The popamole game developers and publishers have a lot of monetary incentives to come and ruin the party for Wasteland 2 and they've shown in the past time and again they are immature and crass enough to use their anonymity in order to promote their products.