Wasteland Wasteland 2 Pre-Release Discussion Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

... and Baldur's Gate and Planescape don't do that? It's a conceit of party-based games, especially if you have a fixed player character - you can't guarantee who will be available at any given time, so dialogue either has to be written generally as possible, or have a few keywords changed based on who's in your party, or 1-2 occasional situations where it matters... otherwise it becomes a massive clusterfuck of conditionals that takes a really long time to write. I never felt dialogue in a "true" party-based game was especially less personal than in one with a fixed protagonist... at least in those cases I can imagine who's being spoken to, answering, etc.

 

hopw roewur ne

 

Don't really remember, but isn't it the same in BG where the dialog is focused on the Bhaalspawn or whatthefuck?

 

going through the vision doc reactions

http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2333&start=20

<---- pretend I photoshopped this onto an astronaut's helmet

there's that need for completely avoiding combat again

oh wow, there are people not too sold on the interface customisation thing, because they're afraid it'll be too complex

what the hell, just don't touch it then you luddites

I can see that the new backstory is going to be a little contentious.

Interesting suggestion. Not too sure about how many people will bother with that once their all-star team is dead though.

brother hiver dropping some meteoric thoughts:
http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2342

what is this shit seriously
that's like saying being able to customise your party is bad because then the designer has no faith in his preset characters
because one automatically leads to the other

Then why have them as keywords then when they can automatically be in the conversation choices
don't make this into a per-character bolt-on morrowind dialog dictionary

 

That would be fine, no one has to like one approach or the other. His retardation comes from being butthurt because he was supposedly fooled into thinking Wasteland 2's party style would be like Baldur's Gate, instead of...er, Wasteland.

 

Implementing RMAH in wasteland 2 would actually be absolutely glorious, the best since the invention of the internet. Just the drama on this codex alone, would be worth every cent of this game, which I also threw my money on.

Fargo seems way too spineless to do something like this though (that, and that he would probably realise that it is pointless). I'm getting more and more skeptical to this game, as it seems he is content to just make, implement even, in a bulletpoint-like fashion, exactly what the loudest members of the community want and shy away from all innovation. A pure fan-service game, without any of the sexual connotations, if you will.That's not saying that it means that the game will be bad, but it certainly does not instill much confidence on my part. That being said, I've read some MASSIVE incline about this game, for example the oppurtunity to speed up fights with trash mobs, which is certainly welcome. So there is hope yet!

 

Not even 2/10, for what I mentioned of MASSIVE incline?

 

So, any suggestions on that "innovation"? Something like Betharda's innovation, perhaps?

I think everybody is tired of that innovation and a classic game is the most innovative thing you could do today.

 

Actually, depends what you consider customizable interface. You could say NWN2 interface was customizable, but no matter how you customized it it still sucked shit.

 

Innovation in the industry is minimal, and mostly comes from indie-games. In AAA-games, mostly only elements that are tried and true, gets implemented. Fargo seems to be taking the same route, with his target group. I might be wrong though, and as I said, I does not necessarily make it a bad game: And for some, having nothing changed from the old days, is exactly what they want, which is fine. Each to his own.

 

No shit. But I was really talking about the interface, not the camera which is in a whole other level of suckage.

 

I know about customisable interfaces that were crap, but how does it follow to assume that WL2's customisable interface would be bad just because it was customisable?

 

I'm cautiously optimistic about this game. Is my stance justified?

 

this is a bold move that will send off a cascade of various relationship modifiers with the other npcs on the codex setting

 

Well, I haven't seen too many customizable interfaces to he honest. And what I remember sucked (like NWN2), so "customizable interface" doesn't sound that good to me either. Of course, it doesn't mean it will automatically suck, just that based on previous experiences it doesn't sound good.

 

my view would be to assume that they have a workable default interface that would nevertheless have an inbuilt moving shit around as you please factor in the HUD section of game options

this strikes me as the specific UI based strange reaction version of 'what, modding support? IS THE BASE GAME GOING TO BE SHIT BECAUSE WOW THIS IS GOING TO BE NWN OC AGAIN RITE'

 

sounds like butthurt spin to me that wants to suggest something lacking where there isn't

i.e. in warzone units are highly customisable as well but are devoid of personal motivations and opinions, and as such will only be driven by the choices that the player make

why not mention that their starting and evolving personalities are up to the player to determine and roleplay and customisable bios will be included, etc etc

herp derp if they don't give me a set role to roleplay it's not roleplaying

so does being able to select from paragon or renegade mean that shepard is 'devoid of personal motivations and opinions' as well

this might as well be 'why can't I start out with npcs that may be romanceable as well this game is shit because I have to roleplay their sex now by myself instead of watching cutscenes jeez at least write some text for me to jerk off to mr avellone I mean in the literal sense' - the sectioning

 

player characters, customizable: bad
NPC characters, non-customizable: bad