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Game News Wasteland 2 to use Unity

Discussion in 'RPG Codex News & Content Comments' started by Zed, May 12, 2012.

  1. crojipjip Developer Übermensch

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    Well I just sent my resume and a single unity3d- project to them. It was the one I developed hoping to make it into the Unity Asset Store. Turn based I promise you!

    here if anyone is curious:
    http://www.sendspace.com/file/95ewmm


    Also I suppose you could see this as a very very gentle look into what could come of a UnityEngine turnbased game. 7-zip to extract.
     
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  2. koyima Educated

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    What exactly do you think makes an RPG complex? RPG games are complex because there is so much content you need/want to create/handle. Their complexity stems from handling quest trees, randomly generated items and mainly balancing.

    Coding stats, battle alogrithms, UIs and such is not really complex. The game design decisions tied to these systems are far more difficult to nail down.

    Compared to other games, RPGs have simplified AI and slower pacing, which are both great advantages. An AI in an RPG doesn't traverse an island or deal with a physically based world (physics inluded).

    CryEngine is a state of the art engine, not because it can handle realistic graphics, but because it can do that while handling high quality physics and AI that is pretty smart (enemies sneak up on you, find alternate roots, hide, work in teams - this in real-time).
    To do this in real-time is an achievement, making quests and items isn't as hard as far as tech goes, it can be more time consuming though.

    Oh, are you a game developer? Did I offend your favorite engine? Do you think I want you to buy Unity? Yes, please buy it! Give them all the monies. They are waiting for all the Codex to buy their engine, since you are all obviously game developers, they sent me here "under cover" to lead you to the dark side of FREE game engines... Wait maybe I'm working for Fargo and I'm trying to sway the "Most Important Internet Forum" in his favor about his latest decision.

    Compared to Drocon who is promoting the C4 engine and actually has the audacity to say that this "list:
    http://www.terathon.com/c4engine/shots.php

    compares to this list:
    http://unity3d.com/gallery/made-with-unity/game-list

    which isn't even complete....

    Look you can think what you want (obviously), but a guy over at Unity forums pointed out the ridiculous claims made here by Drocon, I had some free time and proved him wrong. I don't expect to win teh internets, but such obvious lies like "Unity is not OOP", "Unity is unresponsive", "Unity only has scripting" etc are screaming for some swift "internet justice".

    Just look at the lists, you don't even have to open each link in them. You can see from the thumbnails what crap is considered quality PC games by Drocon and what he calls casual shit for mobiles. If this is what we are comparing, then sorry but Drocon:

    YOU LOSE!

    :bravo:
     
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  3. Oriental European Learned

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    Hey, this means that Torque will become very popular next Thursday! :wink-wink:
     
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  4. Davaris Australian Game Developers Developer

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    BIG matters, ya know? That's why Troika made games, no one talks about today. They just weren't BIG enough.

    Point little Troika out, so BIG koyima from Unity marketing team, can laugh at them.

    BIG! BIG! BIG! :roll:
     
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  5. EG Nullified

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    Steam means hardcore?
     
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  6. koyima Educated

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    When deciding which engine to use, a product not developed by you, you have to consider the choices you have: more released titles, means less hurdles, if anybody and everybody can use it to produce a functional game, there is a high probability you will too.

    You are comparing Game Companies to Game Engines.:balance:

    Really valid comparison. Thumbs up to you for making no sense at all.

    Let me ask you this: when they made the graphics for the first Fallout, did they use some unknown never-before used program or did they use 3dsmax, maya, softimage? Did they chose some obscure image editing software made by a couple of guys
    with no GUI or did they use Photoshop?

    Ah, so now you can see the difference between the size of the team supporting the tool and the size of the team making the game.

    Seriously though, were did you learn logic? up-side-down world?


    No. It speaks volumes about quality though.
     
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  7. EG Nullified

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    How? Isn't it essentially "Windows 95 Certified" for the post-millenium?
     
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  8. koyima Educated

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    No. Games have to pass Valve's quality check. For indies this means certain criteria have to be met. If non of the games made with C4 have passed this, it speaks volumes about their quality,

    It's even worse for C4 if it was as you say "Windows 95 Certified", they can't even pull that off in that case.


    Seriously though this is so easy... Codex: doesn't scale to your level... Obviously not.
     
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  9. Oriental European Learned

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    C4 is not some "no-GUI" software. Where did you learn logic, in drama school?
     
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  10. EG Nullified

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    Aw. You win. 3 experience points for vanquishing a lesser new-fag.
     
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  11. koyima Educated

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    Way to ignore were the metaphor was aimed at. Read again: no-Gui software was compared to Photoshop. The metaphor being that C4 is like that to Unity. :hearnoevil:
     
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  12. Oriental European Learned

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    Yeah, i got your metaphor, but you derped hard with mine :smug:
    (no it's not like that to Unity)
     
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  13. koyima Educated

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    Anyway got to go, it doesn't seem there are any arguments, never mind good ones.

    It probably was all stemming from one guy with half the info, going on about engines and everyone else just chimed in
    since they didn't have any info. Else I would have seen some counter arguments like "I don't think Unity can do X, which
    is really required in what I fantasize Wasteland 2 will be like"

    Truth is a framework is just a framework, as long as there are no show-stoppers, it's up to the devs.
     
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  14. koyima Educated

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    So you are seriously comparing the user experience of C4 to Unity? You be trollin
     
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  15. EG Nullified

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    *Loads Unity Pro*
    Unity is prettier.
     
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  16. koyima Educated

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    Exactly. It's prettier:troll: and that is all folks.:salute:
     
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  17. General Maxson Arcane

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    Unity? Fuck yeah! :bounce: :smug:
     
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  18. koyima Educated

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  19. Davaris Australian Game Developers Developer

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    He doesn't use OUR money, to hire people like you, so that part of the experience is certainly better.
     
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  20. EG Nullified

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    Chased another one away . . . :(
     
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  21. tiagocc0 Arcane

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    :mhd: WhY hAs tHe DrAmA StOpPeD? fEeD mE mOrE DrAmA!
     
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  22. koyima Educated

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    I see you still have difficulty coming up with an argument. Unfortunately there is no pill for that.

    People like me: people who use common sense and actual facts to come up with a well founded hypothesis on a subject they are familiar with (game developer - game development)

    People like you: people who have half-formed opinions, using data they don't understand to support a decision they can't relate to (gamer - engine choice)
     
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  23. Oriental European Learned

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    ...and only Pro version has that black interface, right? Remember reading something about it in license comparison.
    And what's the difference in user experience, just like i've said, C4 is not some no-gui-alpha-version software, and Unity is not really something special at interface. Now Torque 3D has some weird file browser, i'll tell ya.
     
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  24. Nattvardsvin Learned

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    Take a look down there
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    v

    It continues. :smug:

    Wait, now it's up there
    ^
    '
    '

    Ah fuck it..
     
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  25. koyima Educated

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    If you go black....:troll:
     
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