Decline What is the worst example of decline you have ever seen?

Dragon Age Inquisition should really be in the poll.

 

The codex doesn't think. It's just a forum.

 

I wanted to have any Dark Souls in there as it pops up occasionally. For me Dark Souls 2 >> Dark Souls 3 by a long shot, but I never saw many people criticising 3 in general.

 

this site.

 

One thing which puzzles me a lot about the current results is Skyrim. It is the much more shallow than game than Oblivion, yet it has 1/3rd of the votes.
Did people have no hopes for it in the first place after Oblivion? Was Oblivion so personally insulting to you because of you being nostalgic for Morrowind? Are people here running Skyrim with their porn mods secretly?

Also even the most disliked isometric rpgs (Pillars, Torment, Divinity) didnt get a fraction of the votes of the shit Bethesda does in a multi answer poll. Also Witcher 3 has gotten almost none.

 

A lot of shitty games on that list, but I voted for Dragon Age 2 and Underworld Ascendant. Those two stood out as being extra shitty to me.

I don't get why games like Pillars of Eternity or Divinity: Original Sin would be included. Even dumber that some people actually voted for them.

 

Probably because those games shouldn't even be on the list. How could anyone think Pillars or D:OS are anywhere near as much decline as games like Oblivion, Dragon age 2, or Underworld Ascendant?

 

I am quite happy that they didnt get any votes tbh. But I read edgy takes on here why Divinity and Witcher are the end of gaming as a whole pretty much daily. So I thought I should give the option to vote for them.

 

Ultima 8 is THE original blueprint of decline for everyone else to follow. Before it, people had sense to market their action spinoffs as spinoffs and not sequels.

 

I have not voted for the games i have not really played. Also in case of sequels that basically do the same shit again possibly worse I voted for the things that started the fire.

fallout 2 to 3 was the biggest decline. 3 to for is the same shit but a bit worse. *shrug*

I am pretty sure that can be part of it.

 

I don't see a contradiction.

 

Ugggggh. I voted for Witcher 3, Dragon Age 2, Oblivion & Fallout 4. Was gonna bitch about them but even typing about them makes me feel shit.

 

One of the weirdest things about the Dragon Age games is that they keep shifting RPG sub-genres, to where each instalment only has a passing resemblance to the design of the previous. In isolation this might make the games seem like daring gambles. With context however, you can see how the Mass Effect series and Dragon Age series have cannibalized each other. DA2 was heavily influenced by the success of Mass Effect, and Andromeda by Inquisition. The most popular elements were replicated across both franchises without any thought as to the original intent behind their design (perhaps because the staff involved in their creation were long gone). And so two distinct franchises became an unwholesome sludge.

 

You can directly trace the mass decline of RPGs in the West to Dragon age Origins. Sure we had decline before but Origins was big enough that it had an effect on the industry.

Also how are you including Ultima 9 and might and magic 10 without including wizardry 8? I love wizardry 8 but it's clearly a decline from the previous games mechanically. They started trying to casualise it and add some crap like level scaling. I'm afraid of what would have happened if they kept making them. Also JRPGs deserve their own section.

 

Are you sure you aren't just trying your best to find that kind of agenda in the game? You say males are depicted as liars and cowards, while female character are above reproach, but I don't understand where did you get that from.

Most examples of great positive values are males (Barik and Graven Ashe, both motivated by courage and true heroism), while almost all the female characters you encounter are the embodiment of extremely negative qualities: Verse is a complete psychopath, Kills-in-Shadows is a murderous killer, Sirin is manipulative and, even if she wields great powers, she is unable to escape her situation and accepts being used as a tool for conquest. This also stands true for minor characters in secondary quests, where you have women that constantly lie to get what they want (but this is true also for men: almost everyone is a complete shit).

No fair play gender-wise in the storytelling? The only people in positions of power are males. Graven Ashe, Tunon, Bleden Mark. Even the Voices of Neirat are presented mostly as a male character.

Maybe I'm blind to the problem, but I really can't see in Tyranny the stuff you are pointing out.

 

Indeed, there is no such thing in tyranny whatsoever. It's kind of like how feminists see sexism and patriachy everywhere in media, anti-feminists are the same in the sense that they see feminist propaganda everywhere even where it isn't; both sides are generally retarded and feed off of each other.

 

He has a point there, even though it is clear that you can only perceive this issue if you can actually perceive what is wrong with that ideology.

This part especially, the People in Power are male, but all people in Power in this game are part of the forces of evil. In the narrative it is corrupt Power which is why it is solely hold by men. It is basically the "Patriarchy".

EDIT: Tyranny is bad because of another reason, it's depiction of evil is simple minded, it lacks nuance and feels more like the children perception of what evil is.

You can perceive it this way, but it is a false dichotomy. Anti-feminists do not follow an specific ideology, they oppose one. That could mean people that are "simply fed up with this topic" to the absolute "sexist" are part of this group. What you said is what they want you to believe: If you aren't a feminist you are in an enemy group.

In the same way you are not a communist by "not being a Nazi" that would be retarded.

 

Couldn't the reason for why most people in power are males in the game simply be the fact that the game has a fantasy/historical setting loosely based on the bronze age when women weren't allowed to be in power? also not all people in power were depicted as evil in the game, graven ash for example was pretty decent.

 

Starting on the highest difficulty before I even fully comprehend the rules of the game is an old tradition I follow.

 

Nah, it's not that i hate anti-sjws or think they're worst then feminists or anything, i just find their complete lack of self awarness and over the top reactionary behaviour to be kind of retarded, which is unfortunate because when they're not being retarded and acting like "reverse sjws" they do make a lot of good points.

 

Graven Ashe was the honorable men who still uphold the evil regime.

And no, realism can not really be claimed. Not only are there women in positions of power, wasn't Ebb the resistance leader before you force here to comply? also scholars and warriors in nearly equal amount to the men. It has been a while since I played the game, I actually like a lot of it especially the way you level and the spell designer. However the Story, while it's premise is great lacks, as said, nuance probably because there is an ideology underlying the devlopment that *can* not avoid singling out what evil means.

EDIT: Just to make something clear, realism in a game like this is not something i would think is something to strive for. Having women fighting is no issue to me at all. It is just the counter claim to realism.

 

Except that the only figure depicted as truly evil (Kyros) isn't a man. She is the root of the problem (her and whatever the fuck feeds Archon's powers): she is invincible and no one can oppose her. Graven Ashe doesn't uphold the evil regime: he is just doing his best to save his people. Tunon is trying to make sure that everyone in Kyros' domain obeys just laws.

 

Kyros is not a Woman. It is simply the embbodiment of evil, there is not one mention about the sex of Kyros in the game. Only baseless assumptions.

EDIT: Also Kyros is pretty "vanilla" when it comes to being evil, so even if it was a she it would still not be an argument...

 

I cant really bring myself to see a game where everyone is either a retard or evil, including men and women, as specifically feministic. The only one who is really in charge in Tyranny is Kyros, by virtue of having more than 3 brain cells, and his gender is left ominous afaik. However I think I executed Verse very early into the game and she seemed like the character to me to make "threats to male genitalia".