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What is this kid's problem?

Avian Mosquito

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Can we all get back on topic, please? Please? For the love of fuck, this is supposed to be a fun thread about a kid acting totally nutso in a game, that's it. If you people hadn't brought my daughter's sexuality into it, then ran on with that, this would STILL be a fun thread about a kid acting totally nutso in a game. Or actually, about his rapid and unexpected improvement, since that happened.

The kid is still doing way better. That's totally a thing. He has new notes.

"The petsuchos is completely overpowered. At least for our level. I couldn't hurt it with arrows, and it crippled my arm in one hit." -Valid criticism. I forgot to take his character's much lower level into account when giving them a petsuchos encounter. Though they did manage it, without any fatalities and with only one crippling injury. Though an archer with a crippled arm isn't worth much.

"Am I the only one who doesn't understand what all these stances are for? And do you change stance at the beginning of the round, or the beginning of your turn, or what?" -I clearly need to explain better in the rulebook, but I figured stances like "offensive", "balanced" and "total defence" were self-explanatory. And you change stance at the beginning of the round.

"The crippling penalty is a bit harsh." -You have a scorched arm, and you think losing your ability bonuses when using your bow is harsh?

"So, somebody explain to me why the inn has cats in the more expensive rooms?" -Sacred animal? Feline therapy? Both?

That's it for now. I'd really like to get back on topic, so can we talk about that?

And Awor, I've taken personality tests before. They always come up INFJ or INTJ. I've also taken D&D alignment tests. Always chaotic good. Both are equally lacking in validity, and both are pointless. I'm not doing another one.
 

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Can we all get back on topic, please? Please? For the love of fuck, this is supposed to be a fun thread about a kid acting totally nutso in a game, that's it. If you people hadn't brought my daughter's sexuality into it, then ran on with that, this would STILL be a fun thread about a kid acting totally nutso in a game. Or actually, about his rapid and unexpected improvement, since that happened.

The kid is still doing way better. That's totally a thing. He has new notes.

"The petsuchos is completely overpowered. At least for our level. I couldn't hurt it with arrows, and it crippled my arm in one hit." -Valid criticism. I forgot to take his character's much lower level into account when giving them a petsuchos encounter. Though they did manage it, without any fatalities and with only one crippling injury. Though an archer with a crippled arm isn't worth much.

"Am I the only one who doesn't understand what all these stances are for? And do you change stance at the beginning of the round, or the beginning of your turn, or what?" -I clearly need to explain better in the rulebook, but I figured stances like "offensive", "balanced" and "total defence" were self-explanatory. And you change stance at the beginning of the round.

"The crippling penalty is a bit harsh." -You have a scorched arm, and you think losing your ability bonuses when using your bow is harsh?

"So, somebody explain to me why the inn has cats in the more expensive rooms?" -Sacred animal? Feline therapy? Both?

That's it for now. I'd really like to get back on topic, so can we talk about that?

And Awor, I've taken personality tests before. They always come up INFJ or INTJ. I've also taken D&D alignment tests. Always chaotic good. Both are equally lacking in validity, and both are pointless. I'm not doing another one.


So, considering your 'problem' solved itself, what is the point of this thread? What is the "topic" to talk about? Do you even know what this website is?
 

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So, considering your 'problem' solved itself, what is the point of this thread? What is the "topic" to talk about? Do you even know what this website is?

Derail.com, by the looks of things. For all your thread derailing needs. Really, I'm done here. Better luck in the next thread, I guess.
 

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Derail.com, by the looks of things. For all your thread derailing needs. Really, I'm done here. Better luck in the next thread, I guess.

No, seriously, what topic was there to return to? Did you want us to congratulate you that this literal 15 year old you're mad at changed his outlook on your game after his character died? Do you want us to circlejerk with you that this 15 year old kid made notes on your system that you don't agree with?

For a second here I am actually being genuine - what on earth are you trying to talk about that we're all derailing you from?
 

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No, seriously, what topic was there to return to? Did you want us to congratulate you that this literal 15 year old you're mad at changed his outlook on your game after his character died? Do you want us to circlejerk with you that this 15 year old kid made notes on your system that you don't agree with?

For a second here I am actually being genuine - what on earth are you trying to talk about that we're all derailing you from?

Anything that does have to do with the game in question and does not have to do with my daughter's sexual habits? I mean, just a thought. Clearly, this thread is past its expiration date. As long as people shut up about my daughter's sex life, I don't really care what goes on here now. Or if anything goes on here now. I'm just going to go back to the workshop now and talk game mechanics, alright?
 
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And Awor, I've taken personality tests before. They always come up INFJ or INTJ. I've also taken D&D alignment tests. Always chaotic good. Both are equally lacking in validity, and both are pointless. I'm not doing another one.
In what ways are they pointless and lacking in validity, according to you?
 

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Have you implemented recent knowledge of medieval and renaissance martial arts into your system?

Well, I planned on taking this to the other thread I have, but I can talk shop here too. I have, actually. Greatly simplified, of course, but I have. I used to be a HEMA guy. Unfortunately, I do lack direct access to historical manuals, but I do apply knowledge gained from the community to the game's rules.

In what ways are they pointless and lacking in validity, according to you?

Because nobody ever fits them perfectly, and they create an image of that person that will always be, in many ways, false. People then cling to these false images of the person in question, and judge them based on that, even if they have better sources available such as actual knowledge of the person. It's the same issue with any label. And the very fact that I flip-flop between two of the personality types (INFJ and INTJ) should be good evidence for how neither actually represents who I am as a person. If they did, I would come up the same every time, and I don't. I believe Nietzsche also had something to say about the very premise of creating labels.

"When someone hides something behind a bush and looks for it again in the same place and finds it there as well, there is not much to praise in such seeking and finding. Yet this is how matters stand regarding seeking and finding 'truth' within the realm of reason. If I make up the definition of a mammal, and then, after inspecting a camel, declare 'look, a mammal' I have indeed brought a truth to light in this way, but it is a truth of limited value."

Another gripe of mine, *all* psychological tests, evaluations, and even full-fledged studies are extremely vulnerable to bias from all parties involved, and are subject to GIGO. Multiple choice tests are particularly bad. What if the the answer you want isn't an option? What if you take one option over another in a close call not because it's what you actually prefer, but because it had more positive wording? What if several answers apply to you?

I looked at your test. I saw one early on about structure vs spontaneity, and all of those applied. I like things to vary and change, but I also like to keep a few things constant and fall back upon them. Strict, rigid structure doesn't interest me at all, it's too stagnant and frankly it feels dead. But then, complete chaos isn't good either, as chaos loses its charm when there's no order to contrast it. I felt more like taking structure, but only because it sounded more positive the way they were phrasing it, and when I realized I was about to take the answer only because of the test maker's bias (which is the source of it being more positively worded), I sighed and closed the tab. Things like this are why I like psychology, but can't stand psychologists. Their own inherent bias comes through in everything they do and skews the results, even if they don't do it consciously, through things like the way they word questions and the way they structure studies. It doesn't always skew things towards what they think or prefer, but it does interfere with the data collected and leaves their work always less accurate for it.
 
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Well, I planned on taking this to the other thread I have, but I can talk shop here too. I have, actually. Greatly simplified, of course, but I have. I used to be a HEMA guy. Unfortunately, I do lack direct access to historical manuals, but I do apply knowledge gained from the community to the game's rules.
Cool. It's horrible that so many game developers ignore that knowledge or even worse take inspiration from MMOs and jRPGs.

Because nobody ever fits them perfectly, and they create an image of that person that will always be, in many ways, false. People then cling to these false images of the person in question, and judge them based on that, even if they have better sources available such as actual knowledge of the person. It's the same issue with any label. And the very fact that I flip-flop between two of the personality types (INFJ and INTJ) should be good evidence for how neither actually represents who I am as a person. If they did, I would come up the same every time, and I don't. I believe Nietzsche also had something to say about the very premise of creating labels.
Both INFJ and INTJ have introverted intuition as a primary function.
Thinking and Feeling are secondary/tertiary functions to them, so I suspect it can be very easy to mistype them in tests that are based on basic typing.

Apparently mistyping is common enough for them to develop a test for checking which exactly type one is:
http://www.celebritytypes.com/test/infj-or-intj.php

I often get mistyped by tests as INTP but comparing primary functions shows that I'm INFP.
An interesting observation:
http://www.celebritytypes.com/blog/2011/01/jungian-functions-at-a-glance/#comment-539
Could be that sometimes I'm emulating Introverted Thinking, but the driving force for me is Introverted Feeling anyway.

"When someone hides something behind a bush and looks for it again in the same place and finds it there as well, there is not much to praise in such seeking and finding. Yet this is how matters stand regarding seeking and finding 'truth' within the realm of reason. If I make up the definition of a mammal, and then, after inspecting a camel, declare 'look, a mammal' I have indeed brought a truth to light in this way, but it is a truth of limited value."
Labels matter a lot when seeking specific knowledge, though, especially user manuals.
It may not matter as much for example for someone who is uncertain whenever he's a INFJ or INTJ due to both being driven by Ni and both not having Thinking/Feeling as the weakest function (though Ti in INFJ would be more taxing to use than Te in INTJ).

But for example with a highly specialised personality type like INFP it matters A LOT. For example having extroverted thinking on the furthest, fourth position makes it hard to use for me and I keep phasing between being able to quickly grasp impersonal technical stuff and being unable to read even simple commands for technical exercises, not to mention learn new things. It's pretty important knowledge which I wish I could have earlier to plan what to study.

Another gripe of mine, *all* psychological tests, evaluations, and even full-fledged studies are extremely vulnerable to bias from all parties involved, and are subject to GIGO. Multiple choice tests are particularly bad. What if the the answer you want isn't an option? What if you take one option over another in a close call not because it's what you actually prefer, but because it had more positive wording? What if several answers apply to you?

I looked at your test. I saw one early on about structure vs spontaneity, and all of those applied. I like things to vary and change, but I also like to keep a few things constant and fall back upon them. Strict, rigid structure doesn't interest me at all, it's too stagnant and frankly it feels dead. But then, complete chaos isn't good either, as chaos loses its charm when there's no order to contrast it. I felt more like taking structure, but only because it sounded more positive the way they were phrasing it, and when I realized I was about to take the answer only because of the test maker's bias (which is the source of it being more positively worded), I sighed and closed the tab. Things like this are why I like psychology, but can't stand psychologists. Their own inherent bias comes through in everything they do and skews the results, even if they don't do it consciously, through things like the way they word questions and the way they structure studies. It doesn't always skew things towards what they think or prefer, but it does interfere with the data collected and leaves their work always less accurate for it.
Answer being more positively worded influences you enough to make a test inaccurate for you. That says A LOT about you.
That shows that you use Fe which is more concerned with building positive image instead of using Fi which is more concerned with determining the truth.
Which suggests INFJ. Together with your desire to know what is this kids problem and stuff like that.

Though yeah, it makes a test flawed if biases of the writer interfere with answers of some personalities.

Some tests have only answers and graded agreement to these answers. Personally, I feel more comfortable with them. Though maybe the method of testing itself requires to make a choice between extreme answers.
I know that some tests command to avoid answering in the middle because too much neutral questions would somehow make the results inaccurate. I also encountered it with an actual psychologist administering a test.
 

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Cool. It's horrible that so many game developers ignore that knowledge or even worse take inspiration from MMOs and jRPGs.

Yes, I see plenty of them in particular who believe the "blunt swords" myth. Or think that knights were just big, stupid brutes swinging away at eachother in a contest of pure strength. Or think that bronze has the properties of cheese paste. Or think that spinning is totally not suicidal in combat. Or think that metal armour provides about as much protection as cardboard. Or that the only attack options are "hit them" and "hit them harder". And that injuries have no aftereffects. And that somebody almost dead is still totally capable. And that the less a woman wears the better protected she is. (She would be better off naked than in typical fantasy armour. She wouldn't be significantly less protected, and she wouldn't be restricted.) And so on.

I do things differently. Weapons are deadly, armour makes a huge difference, the fights are tactical, you have plenty of attack options, and the injuries received are nasty, bleed, can get infected (if at a lower than realistic rate, but the fantasy setting does that part) and lead to penalties very early on. If somebody slashes open your arm, expect your arm to be less effective, likely useless. If you are bleeding out, expect to respond slower, less effectively, and risk further injury if you overexert yourself. And if you die, expect to spend over half of that time unconscious, in ever-worsening shock.

Also, I will say you missed my point and Nietzsche's. My point is that nobody ever fits a label perfectly, and that the labels create serious misgivings about who they are. You're doing it right now, aren't you? Trying to find ways to fit everything I say under the INFJ label, to reinforce to yourself the idea that the label is an accurate and precise description? It's not, and treating it like it is accomplishes nothing but making it easier to put people in a box, and separate yourself from them. Thus collectivism rears its ugly head. Nietzsche's point was that creating a label and then applying it to things is disingenuous, as the label has no actual meaning outside what you give it, but I'm not going to debate philosophy.
 
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1. Pedophiliac overtones (and garden variety sexual deviancy)
2. SJW 'parenting'
3. Awor and OP having an autistic conversation
4. Traditional role playing games

It's the codex, in one thread. All it needs now is the daughter coming out as a tranny.

Brilliant work, drog
:excellent:
 

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1. Pedophiliac overtones (and garden variety sexual deviancy)
2. SJW 'parenting'
3. Awor and OP having an autistic conversation
4. Traditional role playing games

It's the codex, in one thread. All it needs now is the daughter coming out as a tranny.

Brilliant work, drog
:excellent:

Don't forget that the entire basis of this thread is lashing out at a 15 year old kid, then later calling him fat and smelly, all because he didn't play OP's game the way OP wanted him to. Especially since in reality the kid is probably doing his daughter a favor and would rather be playing Skyshit or CoD.
 
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Yes, I see plenty of them in particular who believe the "blunt swords" myth. Or think that knights were just big, stupid brutes swinging away at eachother in a contest of pure strength. Or think that bronze has the properties of cheese paste. Or think that spinning is totally not suicidal in combat. Or think that metal armour provides about as much protection as cardboard. Or that the only attack options are "hit them" and "hit them harder". And that injuries have no aftereffects. And that somebody almost dead is still totally capable. And that the less a woman wears the better protected she is. (She would be better off naked than in typical fantasy armour. She wouldn't be significantly less protected, and she wouldn't be restricted.) And so on.

I do things differently. Weapons are deadly, armour makes a huge difference, the fights are tactical, you have plenty of attack options, and the injuries received are nasty, bleed, can get infected (if at a lower than realistic rate, but the fantasy setting does that part) and lead to penalties very early on. If somebody slashes open your arm, expect your arm to be less effective, likely useless. If you are bleeding out, expect to respond slower, less effectively, and risk further injury if you overexert yourself. And if you die, expect to spend over half of that time unconscious, in ever-worsening shock.
Yeah. All these gamisms. Ugh. I'm also on the simulationist side of things. Too bad that so many gamers are against it.
I remember getting death wishes from a fanatical gamist for implementing realistic strength differences between sexes.

Sexualised female characters in sexualized eyerape armour are just an addiction based game feature. First they are used to manipulate the buyer into looking at the game cover, then to desire it and then destabilize him sexually and make him return to game again and again to look at that character.
Horribly manipulative and objectifying the player.
Not to mention, WTF, pointlessly sexualized stuff in a non-hentai game. It's like one can't even play a monster-killing adventure game without forced artificial sexuality.
Reminds me of that time I was interning in an IT department and looking at wrong angle would result in being molested with erotic photos. Of course for my benefit as a man or something.

Also, I will say you missed my point and Nietzsche's. My point is that nobody ever fits a label perfectly, and that the labels create serious misgivings about who they are. You're doing it right now, aren't you? Trying to find ways to fit everything I say under the INFJ label, to reinforce to yourself the idea that the label is an accurate and precise description.
No, that's you who needs an accurate and precise description. (Which by the way is a characteristic of introverted thinking which is a tertiary function of the INFJ type. Keep digging that hole.)
I don't need such a thing. I don't need an army of identical clones for personality types to demonstrate their value.

It's not, and treating it like it is accomplishes nothing but making it easier to put people in a box, and separate yourself from them.
Ah, but we were separated since you have spoken first and revealed your alien nature. I was just curious what kind of a xeno you are. But there was never a doubt that you are one.

Thus collectivism rears its ugly head.
Collectivism? Because you and I are separate?

Nietzsche's point was that creating a label and then applying it to things is disingenuous, as the label has no actual meaning outside what you give it, but I'm not going to debate philosophy.
What an alien thought.
 

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Yeah. All these gamisms. Ugh. I'm also on the simulationist side of things. Too bad that so many gamers are against it.
I remember getting death wishes from a fanatical gamist for implementing realistic strength differences between sexes.

I got the same. Screams of "MISOGYNIST!!!!!" from some radical prick. For a totally fair system that leaves males and females with the same stat total. But ohhhhh, the stat bonuses were in different places, so despite that being totally realistic AND totally fair, somehow I'm a sexist. (Note: Varies between character grades, but for standard grades it's +2 strength and resolve for males, +2 agility and charisma for females. Also varies between species. Like, elven men get perception instead of strength and elven women get double charisma bonus instead of an agility bonus, and most goblinoids get the normal bonuses, but the physical bonuses are +2 in exchange for having weaker special abilities.)

Sexualised female characters in sexualized eyerape armour are just an addiction based game feature. First they are used to manipulate the buyer into looking at the game cover, then to desire it and then destabilize him sexually and make him return to game again and again to look at that character.
Horribly manipulative and objectifying the player.
Not to mention, WTF, pointlessly sexualized stuff in a non-hentai game. It's like one can't even play a monster-killing adventure game without forced artificial sexuality.
Reminds me of that time I was interning in an IT department and looking at wrong angle would result in being molested with erotic photos. Of course for my benefit as a man or something.

May I be the first to say your response is a bit *too* negative? I mean, I'll be plain. I like naked women. (Though I find scantily clad women less attractive than women in normal clothes, somewhere between kindof a "naturalist" perspective on sexuality and just thinking a stripperiffic outfit is trying to hard.) And I don't mind finding them in unexpected places.

But if you'll give me a second to beat this dead horse... :deadhorse:

I hate fantasy titty armour because I can't stop thinking about how much it just DOES NOT make sense. Especially since the "sexy" armour is usually MORE restrictive than full coverage armour, since it's thicker around all the places that need to move (you know, like the shoulders and waist), effectively solidifies a woman's breasts without pushing them down, ensuring they get in her way, and does nothing to prevent access to any part of her body, not even those it appears to kinda-sorta cover. Even the standard "distraction" excuse doesn't work because men don't CARE if they can see your midriff, that is not their concern when you're trying to kill them. And if you want to distract a fellow gamer, which also doesn't work so that should tell you just how little it would work in combat, why are you covering the very parts that would be the most distracting and leaving the rest bare? Just go out naked, you'll increase the effectiveness ten fold. Which is to say you'll distract 10% of gamers instead of 1%, it still would have a 0% success rate in an actual fight. The entire idea is sexist to both sexes, completely counter-productive and makes NO sense. And sense I don't find it attractive anyway, it (at most) illicits an eyeroll from me, I have no reason not to hate it whole-heartedly.

Also, I'm going to be posting in the work shop something on damage types, because a couple of my damage types changed recently and I want to run this by some people. Even if half of them will probably just troll me.
 

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If you're trying to go for realism why do women have +agility?
 

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