Baldur's Gate Why do YOU hate Baldur's Gate 3?

[King Crispy]

You're slipping, Codex.

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HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

 

[Farewell into the night]

Why some of you hate the Forgotten Realms?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Why some of you hate the Forgotten Realms?

No grimdark, no good.

 

[Farewell into the night]

Yeah, but Baldur's Gate city is a part of Forgotten Realms, so technically it doesn't make sense.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

You asked why we hate FR, not BG. The latter is good for what it is - a campy adventure, doesn't mean that the setting behind it is great.

 

[NJClaw]

Why some of you hate the Forgotten Realms?

FR suffer from the same problems that plague Golarion: in order to let the players play ANY king of campaign, it needs to incorporate too many regions too different from one another, so in the end it becomes a generic, convoluted and incoherent mess. To obtain a coherent setting, you need to choose a subset of themes to focus on: FR, Golarion and Greyhawk can't do this, because they need to be the "standard" for the broadest possible audience.

However, FR are cool if the campaign focuses on a single region, while the others are only cited from afar.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Y'know the saying, fratello - wide as the ocean, deep as a puddle.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Why some of you hate the Forgotten Realms?

No grimdark, no good.

That's a try hard attitude only 13 year olds engage in. Are Codex children now?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

That's a try hard attitude only 13 year olds engage in. Are Codex children now?

If you enjoy high fantasy bereft of depth, the more power to you. Not everyone wants fantasy settings to be the equivalent of badly made children's fairy tales.

 

[Butter]

Ravenloft and Spelljammer exist. Why do we need more FR games?

 

[Lyric Suite]

That's a try hard attitude only 13 year olds engage in. Are Codex children now?

If you enjoy high fantasy bereft of depth, the more power to you. Not everyone wants fantasy settings to be the equivalent of badly made children's fairy tales.

Define "depth". Guess it is synonimous with edginess and grimdark for you?

Lord of the Rings was not grimdark. Does it mean it was bereft of depth? Can you conceive of depth that doesn't involve darkness, because i hope you realize that automatically disqualifies a lot of classic literature, from Shakespeare up to Goethe.

For me a setting is what you make it anyway. Both NWN2 and Mask of the Betrayer were Forgotten Realms, but there was a stark difference between the two. Torment: Tides of Numenera was Planescape but it was still shit.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Lord of the Rings was not grimdark, but it was not Forgotten Realms either. You cannot compare the mythological depth of Tolkien's creation to campy D&D settings.

For me a setting is what you make it anyway. Both NWN2 and Mask of the Betrayer were Forgotten Realms, but there was a stark difference between the two. Torment: Tides of Numenera was Planescape but it was still shit.

On this we agree, though I'd also add that MotB had the themes it had in spite of the setting.

 

[S.torch]

Torment: Tides of Numenera was Planescape

It wasn't. Numenera and Planescape are different settings.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Torment: Tides of Numenera was Planescape

It wasn't. Numenera and Planescape are different settings.

Well, it wasn't "Forgotten Realms" and it was still shit.

Lord of the Rings was not grimdark, but it was not Forgotten Realms either. You cannot compare the mythological depth of Tolkien's creation to campy D&D settings.

Well, can you conceive of a setting that is like Forgotten Realms but done as well as Lord of the Rings or is "grimdark" necessary to make it good? Is Forgotten Realms bad because the way it is written in the table top books is shit or it is standard fantasy in itself shit for you?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Well, can you conceive of a setting that is like Forgotten Realms but done as well as Lord of the Rings or is "grimdark" necessary to make it good? Is Forgotten Realms bad because the way it is written in the table top books is shit or it is standard fantasy in itself shit for you?

The writing in itself. Grimdark fantasy is not necessarily better by its very nature, but it has less constraints than standard fantasy. I'd argue that it's easier to make a decent tragic story in the former rather than a heroic one in the latter played straight.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Does it have to be a tragic story to be good?

 

[Ontopoly]

I honestly Gate bg3 so much. Does anyone have a forum more suited to my shit talking needs because I've been let down by how much decline people will let pass just because it's wrapped in turn based.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

I honestly Gate bg3 so much. Does anyone have a forum more suited to my shit talking needs because I've been let down by how much decline people will let pass just because it's wrapped in turn based.

Stay here and create incline by channeling your hatred of BG3 into a hatred of everything BG, and by extension everything Bioware.

 

[Ontopoly]

I honestly Gate bg3 so much. Does anyone have a forum more suited to my shit talking needs because I've been let down by how much decline people will let pass just because it's wrapped in turn based.

Stay here and create incline by channeling your hatred of BG3 into a hatred of everything BG, and by extension everything Bioware.

Eat my ass. The original bhaalspawn saga is still amazing and has inspired a ton of games you casuals and decliners love.

 

[NJClaw]

I honestly Gate bg3 so much. Does anyone have a forum more suited to my shit talking needs because I've been let down by how much decline people will let pass just because it's wrapped in turn based.

Exactly, why do YOU hate Baldur's Gate 3?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Does it have to be a tragic story to be good?

Nah. Just something above a badly written children's tale which mistakes oversexualization for depth and maturity (i.e. modern BioWare).

 

[Peachcurl]

I honestly Gate bg3 so much. Does anyone have a forum more suited to my shit talking needs because I've been let down by how much decline people will let pass just because it's wrapped in turn based.

http://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=82&page=1

You are welcome.

 

[Ein Axt]

I just see it as DOS 3. I they fixed armor and initiative bullshit from 2 then I'll be able to enjoy this game.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

I am very tired. I want to sleep a bit before playing bg3. Maybe I will watch a yt walkthrough.

 

[Ontopoly]

I honestly Gate bg3 so much. Does anyone have a forum more suited to my shit talking needs because I've been let down by how much decline people will let pass just because it's wrapped in turn based.

http://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=82&page=1

You are welcome.

I got banned. I would love to participate in their impartial discussion on BG3.