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Editorial Why no gay sex in The Witcher? @ Feministing

Discussion in 'RPG News & Content' started by DarkUnderlord, Dec 14, 2008.

  1. DarkUnderlord Bringing that old Raptor magic.

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    No, not fisting, feministing. <a href="http://community.feministing.com/2008/12/subtle-sexism-analyzing-the-wi.html">It has an editorial up about the collectable sex cards in The Witcher</a>. Their solution is to ask for gay sex:
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    <blockquote>You do get something for your various sexual encounters: sex trading cards. After a sexual encounter, you obtain pin-up trading cards to represent that sexual conquest--players, collect them all! (mass-printed cards, authentically medieval, right?) The idea of "collecting" women you have sex with (proof of your masculinity?) is really troubling to me. And by having sex with all the women available, you have a complete collection of woman-objects. Having sex with all the women you are able to, thus, becomes a goal for the character, even if the "reward" for doing so is negligible (bragging rights?). As one gamer suggested , "Women are COLLECTIBLE." Commodification at its finest.
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    Not only do you acquire cards representing each woman you bed in the game, but the sex is at times a reward for your in-game accomplishments. One example I was given is that in a quest to save several prostitutes, after you have rescued them sex is your "reward" from them. I wonder, is their sex a reward because they are prostitutes , and therefore their sex is seen to be "worth" something, because it is seen to have a dollar value? Or is it just that women become sexually available to men with good behavior? Or that sex is the most important reward a woman can give? Any of these options are problematic.
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    But what is the function of its inclusion of the option of sex into the storyline if not for the purpose of pursuing the mini-game? It is easy to say, You lose nothing by not doing it so just don't do it; it is just as easy, however, to say If absolutely nothing would be lost on the game without it, why have it at all? The "optional" defense seems to me to be a farce. If nothing else, it excludes anti-sexists and non-juveniles from participating in all aspects of the game.
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    The women who offer you sex are limited to the young, shapely, and beautiful , natch; at the same time, you are also limited to having sex with women . This makes me pause--for a feature that is considered "optional," thereby theoretically inconsequential, how come sex with men is not an option? I can hear the objections from the homophobes now. But for those men out there in game chat board world who say it shouldn't be big deal for a woman to play a male character, and to have to have sex with various women to complete the full game, then what would be the "big deal" for the het men playing that character to have sex with men to complete the card set? Take this forum response from a guy: "Besides do you imagine cards for that sex minigame with guys? Ughh...I dont even want to think about it ... " Homophobic much? Male-centered much?
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    And another thing: in the game, you as the male protagonist can choose whether or not to have sex with the women, but they cannot choose not to have sex with you--you will never hear a "no." They may not suggest sex unless you do/say/buy/pay "the right thing", but you won't hear a rejection. This to me is another problem, not just in this game but in any games with sex. It's further a problem that in the gaming industry, protagonists continue to be male and sexual conquests continue to be female; it is a reiteration of porn logic. In this logic, men get to choose their sex object from a virtual infiniti of sexually desirable, always available women who don't get to choose back.
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    Yes, what The Witcher needs is collectable male sex cards!
     
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  2. Konjad High on potatoes Patron

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    Just... what the hell?

    People dissapoints me.
     
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  3. Turok Erudite

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    Just read the 7 books, there is no gay sex on then, end this post here. Game is based on the books, no gay sex on books, no gay sex on the game, done.

    By the way, on the witcher you dont roleplay yourself, you use a know caracter called geralt, he is a know guy and even if you control where he go, you are there just to choose his reply when talk with npcs, thats all, you are not him, and geralt is not gay, done.

    Want some gay sex on a crpg?? go buy mass effect.

    PS: if cdproject add something like gay sex for geralt then their office will be burned by poland people, 10 seconds after publish a game with that.

    Beware, poland ppl are like lituanian hitman, dont mess with then, dont mess with geralt, he is more important there than their president.
     
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  4. bhlaab Arbiter

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    This would make sense in something like fallout or oblivion where your character is just a template, but The Witcher uses an established character and if he's not gay that's it, I suppose.
     
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  5. Redeye Arcane

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    I didn't read the article.

    Someone tell me if the poster realized that adding extra features costs money, and money has to be spent on maximizing profit.

    You know, target audience and all that.

    Would The Witcher get extra sales if there were gay partners?
     
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  6. Turok Erudite

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    No extra sales, just drop sales.

    Add extra content is not problem they can get guys like Todd Howard to make the moving capture and use his voice, the problem add something like that will go agains the books, and lot of ppl can be angry by that, specially on poland.
     
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  7. Jaime Lannister Arbiter

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    "And another thing: in the game, you as the male protagonist can choose whether or not to have sex with the women, but they cannot choose not to have sex with you--you will never hear a "no." They may not suggest sex unless you do/say/buy/pay "the right thing", but you won't hear a rejection."

    This is actually valid criticism, unlike the rest of the article. Why not just quote this?
     
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  8. DarkUnderlord Bringing that old Raptor magic.

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    ... because it was nowhere near as much fun. Truth be told I was going to skip posting the whole thing until I read the gay bit.
     
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  9. Blind Eye Scholar

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    Complete FAIL. Not valid at all.
     
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  10. Trash Pointing and laughing.

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    The main character is not gay. Oh, and you'll only have sex with the woman if you cater to their specific demands. So in the end, cuntpower wins again.
     
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  11. Wyrmlord Arcane

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  12. Prunesquallor Novice

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    Mouahahahahaha! I think the editorial was quite clever and very funny (if sometimes unintentionally so). Though I guess the stupid cheesiness of "collecting" always willing attractive women sort of fits the corny B-movie vibe the Witcher has going.
     
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  13. mondblut Arcane

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    Woman are collectible, and feminists are unwelcome in any collection.
     
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  14. Lesifoere Liturgist

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    I just noticed the bint who wrote this thing, er... has never played the game.

    Faaail.

    And she uses the word "male-centered," which suggests that she's subliterate. The term is phallocentric. Idiot.

    So basically, she wants whitewashed Disneyfied pseudo-medieval fantasies. Fuck off and go play Bioware's games.

    I also notice that a lot of the commentators praise ME and JE with great praise.
     
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  15. DraQ Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Penis envy.
     
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  16. Herbert West Arbiter

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    Thank god for stupid feminists, always having a good laugh when I bump into some of their ideas :)
     
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  17. dagorkan Arbiter

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    The very first mod for the Witcher was an explicit gay sex mod with multiple partners made by some Balkan chick.

    Pollak fanboys went wild.
     
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  18. Pastel Scholar

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    So, they should suggest sex but then reject you when you accept? :mindfuck:
     
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  19. Gragt Arcane Patron

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    - I saw a feminist yesterday.
    - Horrible creatures. I avoid them whenever I can.
     
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  20. Joe Krow Erudite

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    The game itself is gay.
     
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  21. Joe Krow Erudite

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  22. Erebus Arcane

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    A game where you play an adventuress collecting male sex cards would be totally awesome.
     
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  23. Jaesun Fabulous Moderator Patron

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    I'm voting this as the worst article of 2008. I could not read the whole thing, as it was filled with too much stupid.
     
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  24. aries202 Erudite

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    I think the non-gamer's commentaries overlook the important thing here: you do not have the have sex with each and every women you meet. You can just say 'no' to the women. The interesting here to me is that it of often are the women who will invite Geralt to sex, not the other way around.

    As for gay sex in games, might I suggest looking into Jade Empire or even Mass Effect - both games where you can have a relationsship that eventually may or may not lead to sex, depending on what choices you make during dialogue with your comrades.
     
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  25. Turok Erudite

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    I dont know why the witcher always remember me pokemon. Change the pokemons for girls and there is the answer i guess.
     
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