Yet Another Morrowind Thread

I am using it. Should have mentioned unofficial patches as well.

I have always used Better Bodies so far, but I'm not doing it now. A look at BTB's list reminds me why: I know that if I install BB, I'll also feel compelled to go for Better Clothes, More Better Clothes, Better Heads, mesh improvements, texture fixes, book jackets, road signs (forgoing this one is the only thing that actually made me think twice), etc., etc. It never ends. Because why improve one aspect of the graphics while the rest is still of a questionable quality?

I know that there is a bit of a disconnect between how good the world looks and how awful the characters look, but 12 years later, the graphics are outdated enough that it doesn't really matter any more to me, and I'll just take the graphics as given to me by Bethesda and let the unofficial patches fix the worst excesses of Bethesdan retardedness. Besides, while BB looks a bit better, as mentioned, they're still the same robotic characters aimlessly walking around, looking like a major dissonant to the rest of the game world. For the amount of time you're going to be standing close to them and seeing them naked, the improvement isn't all that great in my opinion.

Why do they all look like gay models, anyway? Where are the fat Dunmer? It's pure thin privilege, I say. And speaking of Better Heads, why should poor old Jiub lose his scar and gain a bunch of nose rings? If God intended him to look like that... well, you know.

 

Better Bodies were made mainly for players to run as nude Nerevarines, not for NPCs, who usually are always clothed (with a few notable exceptions who really do benefit from BB). And probably for certain mods. That's said, Better Bodies do improve how feet and hands look in general.
Every head replacement/improvement I've seen change too much and not necessary for the better despite the name. Some faces were nice for use with PC though.

 

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/general-elder-scrolls-weaseling

 

Better Bodies makes the Dreamers a lot creepier for one. There's also the topless slaves, but if you use the nude version rather than the clothed version then it runs the risk of just looking retarded.

I like how the Dunmer, all Human races and the female Orcs look with Better Heads but the rest is a mixed bag. The Bosmer get noticably fucked up and the Altmer end up looking pretty weird. The male Orcs just look hilarious. Overall, though, I think it's worth using. Especially if you use mods to graphically enhance the rest of the game to the point where the originals look more out of place than BB/BH.

Speaking of Dreamers, this looks cool: http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/42990/?

 

I never had this problem. I use road signs and fix for ebony armor (to remove inexplicable greenish tint baked into vertices of the pauldrons), I tend to use Liztail's mod (BB for beastfolk - for Khajiit feet, mostly), BB (slightly grudgingly but Pinnochio syndrome and the need for consistency with Liztail's mod) , but no texture replacers, no mesh replacers for any other general stuff, no BH, BC nor any scenery mods.
Even my MGE install is carefully tuned to about 3 cells sight range and immediate fog start to eliminate clipping and provide better water without disrupting the way original created the illusion of scale.

BH just goes all derp on some faces (like Jiub's) and entire races (take Orcs, for instance) so it's out, BC is an honest effort at trying to recreate the original clothes' look but you often get the feeling that the author(s) weren't quite sure what they were looking at when recreating it yielding some stuff that feels off.

Feet, yes, but not hands.
I've always liked the way elves looked in vanilla, BTW, but for humans BB is mostly an improvement.

They're crazy people sitting in caves and cutting flesh off themselves. Putting a brown diaper on one doesn't do much in terms of making them less creepy.

 

Nothing. Gamers cannot into actual journal structure.

 

I actually smiled at that "20 Years Of Elder Scrolls" post by Todd.

I'll kill myself at the nearest opportunity.

Interesting that he specifies ESO as "its own thing". I wonder how the Bethesda dudes really feel about ESO.

 

Actual journal structure written outside of your control, writing down every quest interaction whether you want it or not, accumulating pages for you to scroll through in your hunt for what you're actually after.

It's nice to be able to see in which order you did stuff in a generic journal, but that should be a bonus feature, not the quest journal. A quest journal should group entries from the same quest together.

 

Ah yes. The quest log. Happen to find any people with arrows above their heads lately?

 

You don't have to scroll through. The journal is searchable. Not that many players would notice.

 

Was it searchable before Tribunal?

 

The base game's journal was excellent. Having the option to sort by quest is nice, but Morrowind's journal system was one of the things that made it feel organic. It feels nice to leaf through a journal searching for information, rather than opening a menu that says "THESE ARE YOUR QUESTS. DO THIS SHIT."

 

It's nice in theory, but in my experience the game turns the journal into a dispassionate log of every single event that has ever occurred during the game, filling about 80 pages with descriptions of shit some guy on the street said or the names of people you'll probably never meet or even hear about again with the actual quest thing you're looking for being a small footnote at the bottom of a page otherwise filled with descriptions of being molested by Crassius Curio or whatever.

 

I'm trying to remember how it exactly worked. It's been a while that I had only the base game installed. It either had an index or some other way to sort the stuff. It just wasn't documented and not many people discovered it. You definitely didn't have to scroll through everything.

 

I don't remember if it was searchable by topic before TR, but if it was it was pretty good already and far better than pretty much anything that came before.

 

It was supposed to feel like a "real" journal that an adventurer would maintain, but given the codeword system and the metric fuckton of quests, I'd take improved functionality over immershun any day.

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My favorite part of that last pic I posted is how it was taken in the middle of the imperial City's market. You can almost see the passing Imperial Guard blankly staring at this guy as he poses to no one in particular.

 

So what's so retarded about the Tribunal main quest? I don't remember shit.

I remember playing with the normal journal for a long time and getting used to it but when I got the improved one I was happy. It's about the basic functionality, you can still search the journal as before but searching by quest in a game that writes down every conversation topic for you is preferable, imo.

 

Mostly the protagonist taken for a complete fool and can't do anything about it if he wants to complete the story. It was probably supposed to produce an atmosphere of deep and complicated intrigues where you trust no one, but you have no option but trust everyone or quit. Story itself does not seem particularly retarded to me as TES stories go, but there are a lot of mindless fights of no relevance. Personally I also disliked, that it seems at first you can chose a side, but it turned to be of no consequence.

 

Indeed. If this were a real situation, any human being with half a brain and normal emotions wouldn't lift a finger for those quest givers. They are both insufferable jerks from the get-go, and their tasks make this even more obvious.

Before you say that this is the same in the main game, I want to point out that the situation is different. If your quest giver in a guild is a jerk, you know that you probably have to suffer through this for the pay-off, which is advancing in the guild. Unfortunately, such a motivation is absent in Tribunal.

 

Helseth:
Yes, I commissioned those Dark Brotherhood attacks because reports of false Nerevarines are so disruptive to Morrowind politics. Oh, you're the real Nerevarine? Even better. Here's some errands for you to run. Hahahaha.

Almalexia:
Here's a quest to forge a great weapon that is strong against Tribunal members so in the end it will be easier for you to kill me ... I mean kill Sotha Sil! He's the bad guy, not me. Why would I help you to obtain a weapon with which you could more easily kill me? That would be stupid. Hahahaha.

 

Even in Morrowind proper the plot was kind of just there. It was the lore that was great and interesting.

 

More like "why does your sword project a flame that's aiming elsewhere than the rest of the blade?"

So I gather I wasn't the only one who didn't even get to fight Dagoth Ur because he promptly committed suicide in the lava? ha ha

 

Morrowind is really just a snapshot of a living world. As soon as you enter it everything just goes frozen. Best way I can explain Morrowind. It's almost like a simulation ran, up to the point where you enter it and somebody deleted all that code.

 

"Mournhold. City of Light. City of Magic."