Yet another Piracy: Good or Bad? discussion

[TheHeroOfTime]

Not supporting the things that you like, not even a bit, is a bad thing.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Not supporting the things that you like, not even a bit, is a bad thing.

Does anyone actually do that though? You'd have to be a pretty hardcore thief to never support any of the things you like. What we're really talking about here is supporting some things more than others, which seems perfectly reasonable to me. If I were a billionaire I'd probably still pirate a bunch of games- the difference is that I'd buy a bunch of copies of games I do like and give them away or something.

 

[the_shadow]

The incentive to pay the requested price for a service/good drops drastically if the service/good has already been consumed.

Well that depends on the quality of the thing in question. If it's of high enough quality that I now have more respect for the developers, my incentive to buy the game goes up.

Perhaps for you, but most people don't see the point of paying for something if they obtained it for free by circumventing the free market and have already consumed it. I'm not aware of many shoplifters who after stealing products will return to the store and pay if they feel the product offered them significant value. Also remember that a lot of people in this very thread feel *entitled* to intellectual property because computer games are 'only' ideas, and ideas should be shared, and copyright laws are bad/stupid, and if you don't want your intellectual property stolen you should work a desk job etc etc.

 

[fantadomat]

Hahahaha a conversasion that happens
"Bitch stop downloading because i am downloading some shit netflix tv series "
"Fuck off cunt! I am downloading some european drama that we will watch before fucking!!!!"
"Ok dear,as long as there is a sweaty fucking with a lot of dirty shit! Now i will go and get drunk as a respectable Slav "

To be honest, slavs have better internet than yurop and united states.

Yup,a lot better than wasterners. When i was in Malta i was wondering if the internet is not working. Next day the owner told us that they have one of the better ones. It was a cultural shock!

 

[Anomander Rake]

Guys don't tell me I'm the only one that buys a game he likes. I will buy around 1-3 per year, it's not an obscene sum, and I buy it when they got huge discount on Gog (so maximum 25 dollars).

 

[PorkBarrellGuy]

Guys don't tell me I'm the only one that buys a game he likes. I will buy around 1-3 per year, it's not an obscene sum, and I buy it when they got huge discount on Gog (so maximum 25 dollars).

I don't mind paying for decent games. Shit, if the sale's good enough I'll go out on a limb and try something that might be a step or two away from my usual fare, particularly if I'm hearing good things about it from friends and peers. It's not that I'm MORALLY against piracy or anything, it's just that I usually don't see a point in fucking bothering with it, and I like the idea of patronage for people who do decent work (or at least make a sincere, spirited effort). If nothing else, I don't necessarily think it's the end of the fucking world if I don't get to play X game due to financial constraints, and am capable of delaying gratification long enough to set aside cash if I really want something.

 

[garren]

I'm not aware of many shoplifters who after stealing products will return to the store and pay if they feel the product offered them significant value.

But piracy is not stealing.

 

[catfood]

Piracy isn't stealing because nothing is being physically removed from an inventory. How many times do we have to go through this?

 

[Sacred82]

people actually pirate anything nowadays that isn't ten years old and hard to get otherwise?

 

[FeelTheRads]

Hahah, yeah, I'm sure most software pirates are just 'sampling' a small portion of the game, like how people used to eat a grape before deciding if they wanted to buy a whole bunch . And yes, if you illegally download a game, play some of it, and then delete it, you *have* broken copyright law and stolen someone's time and expertise. The incentive to pay the requested price for a service/good drops drastically if the service/good has already been consumed.

Again, retard, I did not say "most". I have no idea how many do it. I know there are people who do it, though, as opposed to none which you believe to be the case.

Cool to see you also believe "copyright law" to be universal and god give and exactly how it is now it's perfect and it could have never taken another form.
But tell me.. what if you break this copyright law, and then buy the product. Is that cool, or it's better to not buy at all just so you don't break god's copyright law. Because you seem to go for law above anything else. Just want to see how much of a retard you are.

 

[fantadomat]

Guys don't tell me I'm the only one that buys a game he likes. I will buy around 1-3 per year, it's not an obscene sum, and I buy it when they got huge discount on Gog (so maximum 25 dollars).

Read the fucking thread,most pirates here buy good games from time to time. People that pirate only because it is free are not many.

 

[Anomander Rake]

Thanks, because I know many people that do it just for thieivng fuck and they are rich as fuck

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

The incentive to pay the requested price for a service/good drops drastically if the service/good has already been consumed.

Well that depends on the quality of the thing in question. If it's of high enough quality that I now have more respect for the developers, my incentive to buy the game goes up.

Perhaps for you, but most people don't see the point of paying for something if they obtained it for free by circumventing the free market and have already consumed it. I'm not aware of many shoplifters who after stealing products will return to the store and pay if they feel the product offered them significant value. Also remember that a lot of people in this very thread feel *entitled* to intellectual property because computer games are 'only' ideas, and ideas should be shared, and copyright laws are bad/stupid, and if you don't want your intellectual property stolen you should work a desk job etc etc.

i would have never bought "culpa innata" if i hadn't tried it before. 99% of the stuff i bought is because i tried it and deemed it worthy of my hard earned money.
what did i buy without trying? oblivion.
fuck off, it's piracy all the way.

 

[Multidirectional]

I view piracy like speeding, everyone does it, big deal.

I'm not sure you can actually kill someone when downloading a video game.

 

[Raghar]

Any adult with a full time job isn't going to have the time to play a majority of games - or even the disposition. Narrowing down your choices to a few games you really want to play is a liberating experience and easy on the wallet.

Well, posting stuff just so people who have a brain would learn some facts.

For a disabled when he wants a job instead of possible disability rent, it's fairly straightforward. Are there healthy people for that job? Yes, then ANY employer would simply hire them instead, and theirs education or brainpower are irrelevant. (And then few months later said person would kick them out screaming. Awwwwwwww fucking analfabets.) And I'm not joking about that.

Are you a pensioner, or just before pension? Too bad sucker we found younger. Wanna a job to complement his pension/until his pension? Too bad, we have younger. (And we are willing to pay 3x more.)

A homeless would have a change of his mind stop alcohol and go find a job. You fuck smelling shit we would rather hire disabled, actually no no disabled we overspoke, but pensioner or just before pension might be acceptable instead (for at most 3 months and we hope we would find young healthy person).

And as a disabled I wouldn't want to be hired by retards like above either. They are likely to cripple disabled even more. And you have only one health. Even when someone would force them to pay compensation, living with even worse life (just because of a consequence of a job) would be fucked up life.


With my experience with game development, I'm glad people are pirating. It massively helps theirs passion for art like computer games, and they are more likely to spend money for games, than movies or whatever. Or theirs children. It's not like game developers are not making games for paying customers. A game didn't have enough sales, there will be no sequel.

Actually the bigger problem is the rather large range between getting nearly not enough to pay for a project and enough for 5 more project. The lack of guaranteed money is what causes game development to be rather volatile behavior (when you self publish). That attracts cheaters and money makers who are not as much interested in art, but they are doing it only for money. And when game development is done only for money, the resulting game suffers.

When poor don't pay, and these who want pays. That's arguably best outcome... in these times. But, when they would make HW DRM, things might become quite bad. Art gets MUCH less exposure (do you remember when games were nearly unknown and everyone watched TV), and paying customers would suddenly be forced to pay console prices, and choose which games they will pay for. Thus game that releases in the same year as GTX VI and Sims 5 would be fucked.

 

[ColonelTeacup]

^ so far poorfags seem to be winning in my little contest.

And what kind of fag are you? The bitchy whiny one?

Turkroach Ireneaus forgot to take his medication again.

That is rich mate,the most buttfucked fag is rating me butthurt,you broke my hearth fag,now i will go cry in the corner for the next 6 hours. My soul is broken beyond repair!

The Codex is a prestigious place. Using fag twice in a pejorative sense is a poor fit. Calming down will save you the trouble of appearing obviously butthurt, and give you a chance to be more creative in your retort. The effort goes a long way, one storyfag to another!

You are trying to pick a lock with a club. Roll again, put more points in Int. Save the club for Mondblut's ass when you two get a room.

You sound like a faggot. And not the cute trap kind. The annoying kind.

You're welcome to suck my dick if you're curious

No thank you.

 

[Tavernking]

How do I obtain a copy of Baldo's gate?

 

[Jack Of Owls]

Well, I come into this topic for the first and all I see so far in the last few posts are homosexual taunts with severe homoerotic undertones and shitposting. Not a promising first impression. But let's give a two penny piece here. As for pirating- well, I think people who do so do it for basically three reasons:

1. Poor cunts. Lots of third worlders and wards of the state with piddling fixed incomes pirate a disproportionate amount because- well, they're poor cunts

2. Addiction. Lots of folks that have the money to buy games pirate simply because it's force of habit. Why go through the trouble of store transactions when you can just fire up a torrent client or use a pirateware website with direct links to the latest releases on free file hosting services? Zip, zip zip... congrats, you just downloaded all 45GB of the latest Forza Horizon using your company's high speed connection and a proxy in 5 minutes flat off someone's Google Drive in the time it took you to whack off to that pornhub fart fetish video. It's easy and it's addictive.

3. The Try Before You Buy crowd. The smallest representation in this group. In fact, I personally never even heard of someone actually doing this but hey, they gotta be out there somewhere.

Anyway, suck on my two pennies. You may have a zinc deficiency.

 

[what am i doing]

In fact, I personally never even heard of someone actually doing this but hey, they gotta be out there somewhere.

I do, although there have been rare occasions where I buy something without pirating it first. Typically, I will pirate and then buy later if I enjoy it and feel the price is reasonable. I have discovered and later bought some of my favourite games this way (such as EYE: Divine Cybermancy and Victoria 2), and have also avoided paying for some truly disappointing pieces of shit by the same means (such as Supreme Commander 2). In this age where demos are a thing of the past, piracy is the new demo.

 

[unfairlight]

1. Poor cunts. Lots of third worlders and wards of the state with piddling fixed incomes pirate a disproportionate amount because- well, they're poor cunts

If I like a game I'll buy it. I have the money, but I just lack the desire to spend it on absolute crap, see. Or I pirate the game first and buy it down the line on sale, as the normal price is far too high.

2. Addiction. Lots of folks that have the money to buy games pirate simply because it's force of habit. Why go through the trouble of store transactions when you can just fire up a torrent client or use a pirateware website with direct links to the latest releases on free file hosting services? Zip, zip zip... congrats, you just downloaded all 45GB of the latest Forza Horizon using your company's high speed connection and a proxy in 5 minutes flat off someone's Google Drive in the time it took you to whack off to that pornhub fart fetish video. It's easy and it's addictive.

This is somewhat accurate. I do this a lot with anime and music, but never games. I don't pirate games that I don't intend to play. Games aren't something that I like collecting like that since for modern ones the sizes are far too large and with older ones trying to find and filter good releases from bad ones is an absolute pain in the ass.

 

[Neanderthal]

I prefer to think of myself as a privateer, I'm sure Liz'd approve of my activities.

 

[AwesomeButton]

3. The Try Before You Buy crowd. The smallest representation in this group. In fact, I personally never even heard of someone actually doing this but hey, they gotta be out there somewhere.

I pirated both Witcher 3 and KCD before I bought them at full price. I didn't intend to buy Witcher 3 but I grew to respect its storytelling and characters enough. I also noticed that I've spent 60 hours with it before I even knew. KCD I was going to buy anyway, but they delayed the release on GOG and I couldn't wait. Once they released it on GOG, I bought it full price.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

all the games i own, and they're a lot, i tried the extended demo before.
the only exception is oblivion. never forgive, never forget. when such things happen, the people of the world need the extended demos more than ever.

 

[Mustawd]

Does anyone actually do that though?

I’ve never paid for anime or other shows I’ve pirated/streamed.

Then again I also have a paid Hulu account.

For me it comes down to convenience. Much like video games and Steam/GoG.

I’ve picked my medium of choice that I wanna pay. If other shows or games are not on that medium, then I will pirate it because fuck having to manage multiple websites and storefronts.

 

[Humanophage]

Piracy is great. It is probably the main reason why we have all those good and complex Eastern European games like ATOM, Underrail, Eador, Space Rangers 2, Kingmaker, King's Bounty, etc. Indeed, that is the primary reason why there are so many Eastern Europeans on the Codex and so few of them on less prestigious platforms.

If pirates did not level the field between AAA developers and everyone else, so that something like Fallout 2 or even King of Dragon Pass were as easily available for physical purchase in 2007 as the newest Mass Effect, we would not have had this oasis of normalcy amidst the degeneracy of the 2000s. Piracy also permanently neutralised the console menace in ex-Communist states because it could not compete with cheap PC pirated games, so the Eastern Euro tradition remained mostly pure from direct console gameplay admixtures. Furthermore, it lead to broader erudition and more demanding tastes because instead of selecting a couple of recent games each costing $40, you could easy buy six or seven games from a larger selection. The region weathered out the decline and emerged safe into the new era of Steam and GOG, where it is justly privileged with more reasonable prices.

As for its detractors, do you also refuse to download music or listen to it on youtube? Do you religiously wait for films to be uploaded onto something like Netflix instead of just streaming them from a random website? Do you buy most of the books you read or audiobooks you listen to? Do you abstain from using Elbakyan's tool? Seems like self-sabotage to me.