Yet another Piracy: Good or Bad? discussion

[Curious_Tongue]

Until recently, there was no indication that the consumer wasn't the owner of the game they paid for. It was just a technicality stated in the fine print of the EULA.
So even if the game was technically a lease, the customer only paid once, and they never heard boo from the publisher/developer about it afterwards.

That's not how laws work.

What are you talking about?

 

[Damned Registrations]

 

[Curious_Tongue]

I don't want to play any of those games.

 

[Goi~Yaas~Dinn]

What are you talking about?

Laws don't cease to be laws based on whether you consider them to be a technicality. You also can't invalidate honest-to-god established legal precedent simply by rating it "autistic" on the internet. None of this works like that.

 

[Curious_Tongue]

What are you talking about?

Laws don't cease to be laws based on whether you consider them to be a technicality. You also can't invalidate honest-to-god established legal precedent simply by rating it "autistic" on the internet. None of this works like that.

You have to THINK about the posts you're responding to.

I said that until recently, game purchases were for all practical purposes you buying the game, not leasing it. Nearly all game purchases were done with one-time payments, and with no contact with the developer/publisher afterwards. A person handed over money to a retailer for a physical copy of a game, and that was it.

Technically, the EULA would say that you were leasing the game, but it ultimately had no effect on the experience of the person buying and playing the game.

 

[Goi~Yaas~Dinn]

I said that until recently, game purchases were for all practical purposes you buying the game, not leasing it.

Which means fuckall if that's not actually what's occurring under law. What is your point?

 

[Curious_Tongue]

I said that until recently, game purchases were for all practical purposes you buying the game, not leasing it.

Which means fuckall if that's not actually what's occurring under law. What is your point?

The legal situation doesn't magically effect the reality of a situation.

If one drug dealer sells me some drugs for a sum of cash, and the next day I go to another drug dealer who "leases" me the same drugs for exact price as the previous dealer, what difference does it make to me? What practical difference is there between the two sales?

 

[Curious_Tongue]

Also, I think the leasing agreements publishers tried to push through their EULAs were bullshit anyway. Under the law, you owned the game if you had a physical copy. That's why you could sell them and give them away.

 

[Goi~Yaas~Dinn]

The legal situation doesn't magically effect the reality of a situation.

Oh, you'd be surprised. The legal department at IBM was known colloquially throughout the computing world as "The Nazgul".

If one drug dealer sells me some drugs for a sum of cash, and the next day I go to another drug dealer who "leases" me the same drugs for exact price as the previous dealer, what difference does it make to me? What practical difference is there between the two sales?

...And now you're trying to equate the sale of an illegal substance to copyright law surrounding games, which makes all the sense of a bastard cat.

You're not very good at this.

 

[Curious_Tongue]

You're not very good at this.

You're projecting.

I'm specifically talking about the practical differences between leasing and buying a game. You're mumbling something about legal issues, but not actually making a point.

 

[hajro]

All EGS shitclusives are on the Pirate bin.

 

[Goi~Yaas~Dinn]

You're mumbling something about legal issues, but not actually making a point.

The legal issues were the point. Do try to keep up.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

One game.
How about hack n' slashes and platformers?
That 's kinda my point. More technically complex games are not easy to be developed by smaller teams.

The best platformer ever was made by 16 people.

What's the game's name?

 

[Goi~Yaas~Dinn]

What's the game's name?

Bing Bing Wahoo

 

[GrainWetski]

One game.
How about hack n' slashes and platformers?
That 's kinda my point. More technically complex games are not easy to be developed by smaller teams.

The best platformer ever was made by 16 people.

What's the game's name?

Just some small, unknown game called Super Mario World.

 

[Sigourn]

I don't want to play any of those games.

Same, except Hollow Knight, which was cool.
His post is retarded anyways, just because he likes indie games better doesn't mean shit. Hit me up when an independent developer does something like Fallout: New Vegas.

 

[unfairlight]

I think his definition of indie is retarded. A massive bunch of those (especially the last panel of action games, where he lists Dota 2 as an indie action game) aren't indie in the modern sense of a very small team making them and are more in the classical definition of self published but still have a sizeable team like Looking Glass was in their later years.
Plus a bunch of them are forgettable shit no one will ever replay.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't think dota 2 is an indie game.

 

[Damned Registrations]

It's certainly not a AAA game either. I mean honestly, it's just ripped right off of a custom map for WC3 which was in turn ripped off of a custom map for starcraft. Fallout NV was far more forgettable than it's ancestors, which were made on a fraction of the budget with far less meddling from publishers. If that's your high bar for games you're too shit to even be worth talking to.

None of these games required big publisher dosh to make, a good chunk of them didn't even have seed funding from the developing studio itself, most were made by less than 10 people, and at least half a dozen of them spawned a shitton of clones. Tell me more about how games people still play 20-30 years after they came out are lame shit.

 

[Sigourn]

If that's your high bar for games you're too shit to even be worth talking to.

Strong words coming from a JRPG fan.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

One game.
How about hack n' slashes and platformers?
That 's kinda my point. More technically complex games are not easy to be developed by smaller teams.

The best platformer ever was made by 16 people.

What's the game's name?

Just some small, unknown game called Super Mario World.

Super Mario World is AAA yo.

A massive bunch of those (especially the last panel of action games, where he lists Dota 2 as an indie action game) aren't indie in the modern sense of a very small team making them and are more in the classical definition of self published but still have a sizeable team like Looking Glass was in their later years.
Plus a bunch of them are forgettable shit no one will ever replay.

Pretty much this.

 

[Damned Registrations]

So now that we've established that 'AAA' has nothing to do with the size or budget of a game or it's development team, I suppose piracy doesn't matter because anyone can make a AAA game with a kickstarter or just their own personal savings. As long as it's popular it's AAA!

 

[Insect Hordes]

Piracy is great. I can blow all that money on pinball, steaks and whisky while not creating a giant bookcase full of shit that I film my youtube videos in front of.