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Roger Ebert: VIDYA GAEMS CAN'T BE ART!!1

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Art used to mean craftmanship. The modern meaning of art is a 19th-century invention, so very new, and also quite artificial and masturbatory, in that it's a hype word specifically created for the purpose of hyping. It's not a utility word with an honest meaning.

The fame and value, both aesthetic and monetary, of old realistic paintings, such as Mona Lisa, are 99% hype and hot air. True story.
 

DefJam101

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It's difficult to have art with so much audience participation. However, nothing is stopping a game from being aesthetically/intellectually pleasing and/or radical so, in a way, there is art to be found within a video game.
 

Cassidy

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They can be art, but like some real artists of the past, if you try to make a videogame as an art, you'll at best earn enough to make a living and at worst end bankrupted, butthurt and hopeless and become a Codexer.
 

SCO

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Games are even worse than cinema nowadays because they take so much time and people giving their input to create.

1 Genius can't reliably express itself if it's dependent of 5 other dumbfucks, much the same happens in movies, but in games it's even worse since the genius can't do all the script by himself, can't do all the directing by himself, can't eat from the piddly allowances publishers bleed.

Compare to books. Compare to indie music - and then compare to published music that depends of industry focus groups and marketing.
 

SCO

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Gaming is dead - much less literary gaming like PS:T. A fucking pretentious fag that is trying to write books like that blog guy can't even muster the attention span to read a few paragraphs much less the average console gamer.
 

Jive One

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What are modern electronic games? They are largely composed of a variety of other forms of art such as art, cinematics, music, and literary elements. In this regard certain games may be artistic based on the form and quality of other types of art they include.

I don't buy that though. What sets games apart is GAMEPLAY; and I think it is on that dimension where the artistic merit of electronic games can be judged. So what makes artistic gameplay? Is it the novelty? The complexity? Certain strategy titles are very complex, and in former years new forms of gameplay were cropping up left and right. Whatever the answers, the focus must be on the gaming aspect itself.

Some games have gorgeous visual art, but that's no different than a nice painting. Awesome music is just that...music. Torment-quality plot? Great but it isn't distinguishable from other forms of literature(meaning it's judged on the same merits, judged the same way). The art, if there is any, is in the gameplay.
 

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