Eschalon: Book II is "unofficialy" out!

[Morkar Left]

Truly a privileged life, here in france a country amongst the richest, no such thing.

Really? Hard to believe. Well, I do believe you, but it's hard to understand.

I can confirm this for Germany too. And our government is right now talking about dumping down the education system even more...

 

[Mortmal]

Truly a privileged life, here in france a country amongst the richest, no such thing.

Really? Hard to believe. Well, I do believe you, but it's hard to understand.

A 4+ year old learning this woud be to the realm of utopia.Make me realize the gap is bigger i thought.

Sounds like it. Other programs in my daughter's school includes co-op ed:

Qualified students travel to the state of the art facility where they will be involved in the high tech world of computerized machining and explore careers in the manufacturing industry. This exciting program provides an opportunity to obtain advanced standing in one Seneca College subject (CNC10) in the Manufacturing and Machining Techniques program.
or
Students will spend Semester I or II on a residential construction site and be given the opportunity to build a house from foundation to interior finish as part of a team. There will be a full-time teacher/instructor on site. Students will also have an opportunity to explore a variety of construction trades such as electrician, plumber, bricklayer and carpenter through the Coop/OYAP program.
or
Complete high school credits and apprentice as an Automotive Service Technician or a Truck and Coach Technician. Successful candidates will attend Centennial College during Semester 2 to complete the Level One in-school apprenticeship course. Students will also participate in Co-op/OYAP using a Motive Power sector setting related to auto or truck and coach servicing and repair.
or
Complete your high school while apprenticing as a residential air conditioning systems mechanic at George Brown College. While students are at George Brown College, they will complete the Level One in-school apprenticeship course and participate in a Co-op/OYAP placement.

Etc.

It certainly makes it easier for young people to find jobs and career fairly quickly.

Very different system in france, one generalist primary school for everyone taking absolutely everyone . If you really really have terrible score, comportemental problems etc, you are sent to some technical school for mentally challenged people.In france keep in mind that a manual work means mentally challenged, the kind of dirty work barely good enough for immigrants .

If not you go to the general college , then again if you do very poorly you are sent.... to a technical lycée(high school i guess ? ) .
If everything l is ok , meaning you barely know how to write your name, you go to the general lycée. theres off course still never the slightest contact with the real world , career jobs of such its pure theory, needless to say completely useless.

According your scores in mathematics, as its the only thing that matters.Remmber inf rance manual= retard, maths = the golden road, you are allowed more or less prestigious universities. That means you are always a failure, you take a school cause you coudlnt get the most prestigious ones wich are available only to a certain social class(high paris social class).

The university well things still not get better, They are completely disconnected of the real world, teachers? slackers doing a few hours a week (around 15) absolutely no clue about the real world ,too hapy of their couchy job and praising autonomy.So you get out of here its the void , good luck finding a job.

 

[Black_Willow]

She used to have a lot of fun trolling other kids when Oblivion was released and giving them links to my review.

Dumb kid: OMG! Oblivion is so AWSUM!!!
My daughter: Yeah, there is this great site <link>
Dumb kid: FUUUU...!!!

Excellent.

Something to be proud of indeed. :D

You are a great father VD.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Truly a privileged life, here in france a country amongst the richest, no such thing.

Really? Hard to believe. Well, I do believe you, but it's hard to understand.

I can confirm this for Germany too. And our government is right now talking about dumping down the education system even more...

Jesus.

Well, then I was wrong and home computers are definitely essential. I kind of assumed that Europe would be doing more, not less. People bitch a lot about public schools and the education system here, but it looks like they don't understand how good they are having it and how much the current system gives the children.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Situation in Finland is much more closer to the Canadian than the French one, at least based on this thread. Kids start learning computers when in kindergarten and by the time you're 15, ie finishing primary education, you should be able to use common office software and Internet well. If you want, you can pick IT as one of your extra-subjects, in which case you will get much more knowledge - exactly what depends on school in question, some have "Programming 101"-style courses, while others specialise in HTML and such.

Anyhow, the demo didn't seduce me in, unfortunately.

 

[Gragt]

Belgium education system is also le decline. I even had that discussion with my dad the other day (who is actually a teacher) that for all the talk about living in the age of information, people get are mostly misinformed and do not care to check their sources. There are claims that kids know how to use computers but for the most part they only chat on msn or facebook and can actually do very little else. My dad told me that some of them (talking of 14-15 years old kids) never saw a PDF and do not know how to create one.

So yeah, Canada sounds like heavan from that perspective.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Also, the the hunt is on to find VDs daughter. She undoubtedly lurks inside the Codex. Which innocent-looking avatar/handle-combo hides her?

 

[Mortmal]

See we are getting to a better understanding, by the end of the thread VD will pity us and give age of decadence for free to europeans.

 

[karnot]

My dad told me that some of them (talking of 14-15 years old kids) never saw a PDF and do not know how to create one.

Why would a 15-yo need to create a PDF ? Why would anyone, for that matter ? Unless its for publishing or printing - its faster to just make a htm. It will work faster too.

Anyway, back to Eschalon. Started with 3 points in swords...well guess what - havent seen a single sword for 2 hours now, just going around punching shit with 50% hit chance. Just great.

 

[Melcar]

Also, the the hunt is on to find VDs daughter. She undoubtedly lurks inside the Codex. Which innocent-looking avatar/handle-combo hides her?

She's probably hot too.
Anyway, when I was growing up and going to LAUSD, computers were just starting to get into the classroom from what I could see. My second grade teacher had a cheap MAC type thing in his classroom. It was mostly used to play educational games, and it was only used on occasions at best. I do remember that not every classroom had one, so it's possible even that it was his own computer.
After fourth grade I started to go to Mexican school and they definitely did not have computers in school. Luckily my folks are rich and could afford to put me in private IT courses. Learned to move around DOS and do basic programming with Basic and some other obscure language I forgot by now. My private middle school had a "computer room" so I did have further exposure, though nothing special.
By the time HS came around I was back in L.A. Both Hollywood High and Taft had computer rooms and a few classes dedicated to computers. Hollywood High had one class that taught your basic office software and another one teaching how to handle hardware, though this last one sucked balls and you never really did anything. Taft had one class on MS Office or some other shit; don't know much because my counselor would never let me take it (she always said it sucked and not to bother, so I took Physics instead).

 

[Morkar Left]

See we are getting to a better understanding, by the end of the thread VD will pity us and give age of decadence for free to europeans.

Or he will delay it for 5 years to redesign it. It will evolve to a teaching simulator called Age of European Decadence.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

It's very hard to teach computer skills in school. Usually people gain such skills thanks to everyday practice. Trying to teach people who barely have any contact with computers in the everyday life usually leads just to an extreme frustration of a teacher.

I'm after two years of informatics school with specialisation in computer graphics and after two years of advertisement school and I can safely say that I can't use Photoshop and Corel Draw despite "learning" how to use them for four years.
Actually, no one in my classes has learned much. Everyone keeps forgetting what they learned on previous lessons.
I guess it's why our teacher told us in the beginning to not remove both programs from inventory and practice at home.
Too bad that I didn't listen to him XD .

 

[Luzur]

Anyway, back to Eschalon. Started with 3 points in swords...well guess what - havent seen a single sword for 2 hours now, just going around punching shit with 50% hit chance. Just great.

well i founds lots of bronze shortswords/daggers and even a iron shortsword at the bandit camp east of the starting town, so they are out there, but you need to take down enemies harder then the rats to get them.

or wait til the smith updates his equipment once a week.

 

[Fez]

I know of quite a few teachers (and some employers) who say that the students not removing professional software from an inventory was a great thing, thanks to the years of experience it gives which would otherwise be impossible to gain or require long and expensive training.

 

[Gragt]

Why would a 15-yo need to create a PDF ? Why would anyone, for that matter ? Unless its for publishing or printing - its faster to just make a htm. It will work faster too.

His students insist on giving him documents made with Word while my dad doesn't have it and doesn't want it. Sure he could install the reader from Microsoft but he doesn't want to. He's trying to tell them that not everyone has Microsoft Office and that it's good practice to already start to use formats anyone can open easily, since that's how it works in university where a Word document will likely be rejected, but they don't get it. It's even more dramatic when you consider how trivial it is to create one since they can just use a virtual printer from any program they want. Given that situation, I have a hard time imagining them creating html documents.

 

[karnot]

well i founds lots of bronze shortswords/daggers and even a iron shortsword at the bandit camp east of the starting town, so they are out there, but you need to take down enemies harder then the rats to get them.

Everything is random, so nothing is guaranteed. I just restarted and there was a short sword in the first chest, go figure. And daggers arent swords.

it's good practice to already start to use formats anyone can open easily

Wait, did you just claim that MS Word document is more obscure than pdf document ? That people actually might not know how to view them ? Send me some of that weed you're smoking there, bro ! You have some strong hallucinations i gather.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

There's a good reason why .pdf and .txt formats are most widely used for documentation. How often do you get a software manual/readme in a Ms Word format?

I know of quite a few teachers (and some employers) who say that the students not removing professional software from an inventory was a great thing, thanks to the years of experience it gives which would otherwise be impossible to gain or require long and expensive training.

Well, that's why university students get free learning copies here. Too bad that the publishers discriminate against students of technical schools despite that people after technical schools can easily find work in advertisement agencies that use their software or even use government grants for starting business to actually buy their software after they finish school.

 

[Gragt]

Wait, did you just claim that MS Word document is more obscure than pdf document ?

Did I?

 

[Fritz Haber]

Wait, did you just claim that MS Word document is more obscure than pdf document ? That people actually might not know how to view them ? Send me some of that weed you're smoking there, bro ! You have some strong hallucinations i gather.

At my university pdf is in fact standard, for essays or papers you just mail in.
And there was some confusion regarding doc/docx at the staff as well as
the students.

 

[Fez]

There's a good reason why .pdf and .txt formats are most widely used for documentation. How often do you get a software manual/readme in a Ms Word format?

I know of quite a few teachers (and some employers) who say that the students not removing professional software from an inventory was a great thing, thanks to the years of experience it gives which would otherwise be impossible to gain or require long and expensive training.

Well, that's why university students get free learning copies here. Too bad that the publishers discriminate against students of technical schools despite that people after technical schools can easily find work in advertisement agencies that use their software or even use government grants for starting business to actually buy their software after they finish school.

It's a shame they discriminate like that. Counter-productive, really. I was also meaning that they want you to have experience before going to class, so they don't have to start at the very basics.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Working with PDFs is definitely a handy skill. From creating promo materials (pictures+ descriptions of your product, distribution areas, logos of your clients, etc) to interacting with clients. I know quite a few companies where sales reps pass their clients instructions to the company in PDFs.

 

[ElectricOtter]

playing through it with a ranger type character, 2 in bows, 2 in foraging, 1 in light armor, 2 in dodge, 1 in piercing weapons. fairly fun so far, not sure if i'll buy it though

and to all the people complaining about food and water, man up and buy a couple levels of foraging

 

[Konjad]

ok, downloaded demo and gonna play. probably some kind of ranger or something, since i played book I which I bought as mage (and I consider warrior and clerics least interesting)

 

[Monocause]

Uh, could someone post some impressions? I never found the first part even remotely enjoyable and so I'd love to hear a mini-review or something before taking the time to try this one out.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Only played the demo. Very similar to the first one, along with the painfully slow walking speed and pretty much the same combat
The hunger/thirst doesn't seem to be that interesting. In the demo I've always had more than enough so it was just a matter of extra right-clicks. It could be because I had some levels in foraging, though, and maybe in the full game it there will more to it.

Hell, the full game at least seems to have the potential to have some interesting exploration, but I'm not gonna get it anytime soon.

 

[Monocause]

Very similar to the first one, along with the painfully slow walking speed and pretty much the same combat.

K, you saved me some bandwidth, thanks.