Deus Ex

[Cthulhugoat]

Deus Ex's plotline might not be very malleable - the player can only change some of it's minor aspects with primitive interactions such as kill or not kill, but what really matters and defines the rpg side of the game is the way the character's skills are taken into account in the gameplay so as to offer multiple interaction choices and approaches through levels. I'd go with the middle ground, but I wouldn't say it doesn't belong to the rpg genre, so yes.

 

[Nex]

Damn I better reinstall this sucker.

 

[Cassidy]

Is a flex-fuel engine an ethanol or a gas-powered engine?

 

[Forest Dweller]

Why is it so hard to admit that it can be both an rpg and an fps at the same time?

 

[Dogffdog]

I vote no. I don't agree entirely with 1eyedking, but his posts in this thread constitute a more coherent and usable definition of rpg than I've seen on this forum. Vince has interesting things to say, but he gets bogged down in sub-genres and using a whole lot of words.

 

[oldmanpaco]

Anyone who votes no should read this.

Wow that was entertaining. Then a bit depressing.

 

[ghostdog]

No, you simply don't get it. The definition of the TRUE RPG is constantly undergoing subtle changes, so that no video game can be a TRUE RPG. And that's the way it should be...

 

[Black]

You can put A in front of it but it won't be RPG.
Doesn't stop Deu Sex from being good though.

 

[Suchy]

Fuck you naysayers. There's 200% more RPG in this game than in so called "true" RPGs of modern day.

 

[Black]

Fuck you naysayers. There's 200% more RPG in this game than in so called "true" RPGs of modern day.

Well that doesn't say much, does it?

 

[madbringer]

It's an FPS that borrows a lot from RPG's. Does it make it an RPG? I don't know. Does it really matter, though? It's a damn fucking fine game, that should be enough.

... reinstall time.

By the way, any bro knows from where to get updated d3d renderer files?

 

[laclongquan]

Hey fuckers!

the dialogs change after you do or dont do something. You can invest in certain skills and perks. You can hoard items (oh yeah you can hoard like a miser). You can go about your business in different ways: gunblazing straight in, sneak around, use your skills to do your objectives (like eliminate enemies's bots, you can enable your side's bots, or attack them straight on with RPG, or use your skill to send spybot from up above to disable them.

It's RPG in my book. 1st person perspective is nothing, since even if you are terrible at twitch game you can just hide, take your time to aim, and snipe at your leisure.

DEUS EX is RPG. End of story.

 

[Black]

the dialogs change after you do or dont do something. You can invest in certain skills and perks. You can hoard items (oh yeah you can hoard like a miser). You can go about your business in different ways: gunblazing straight in, sneak around, use your skills to do your objectives (like eliminate enemies's bots, you can enable your side's bots, or attack them straight on with RPG, or use your skill to send spybot from up above to disable them.

Now do the same with Diablo 2.

 

[laclongquan]

I never play any Diablo, I know nothing about it.

 

[roll-a-die]

It's an FPS that borrows a lot from RPG's. Does it make it an RPG? I don't know. Does it really matter, though? It's a damn fucking fine game, that should be enough.

... reinstall time.

By the way, any bro knows from where to get updated d3d renderer files?

http://www.cwdohnal.com/utglr/

Both OpenGL and D3D updates are there.

 

[DraQ]

ts;of

 

[Forest Dweller]

the dialogs change after you do or dont do something. You can invest in certain skills and perks. You can hoard items (oh yeah you can hoard like a miser). You can go about your business in different ways: gunblazing straight in, sneak around, use your skills to do your objectives (like eliminate enemies's bots, you can enable your side's bots, or attack them straight on with RPG, or use your skill to send spybot from up above to disable them.

Now do the same with Diablo 2.

Which doesn't have any reactivity and the only way to go about the game is killing things.

 

[madbringer]

It's an FPS that borrows a lot from RPG's. Does it make it an RPG? I don't know. Does it really matter, though? It's a damn fucking fine game, that should be enough.

... reinstall time.

By the way, any bro knows from where to get updated d3d renderer files?

http://www.cwdohnal.com/utglr/

Both OpenGL and D3D updates are there.

Awesome, thanks!

 

[Suchy]

Hey fuckers!

the dialogs change after you do or dont do something. You can invest in certain skills and perks. You can hoard items (oh yeah you can hoard like a miser). You can go about your business in different ways: gunblazing straight in, sneak around, use your skills to do your objectives (like eliminate enemies's bots, you can enable your side's bots, or attack them straight on with RPG, or use your skill to send spybot from up above to disable them.

It's RPG in my book. 1st person perspective is nothing, since even if you are terrible at twitch game you can just hide, take your time to aim, and snipe at your leisure.

DEUS EX is RPG. End of story.

True this.

 

[Black]

Which doesn't have any reactivity and the only way to go about the game is killing things.

Do you freeze things or do you slash them? Or perhaps you teleport to avoid all the baddies?

 

[Forest Dweller]

Perhaps you have to kill everything in order to progress? Are you denying this, or not?

 

[DraQ]

Which doesn't have any reactivity and the only way to go about the game is killing things.

Do you freeze things or do you slash them? Or perhaps you teleport to avoid all the exp?

Fix.

 

[1eyedking]

Hey fuckers!

Hello.

the dialogs change after you do or dont do something.

When there's no gameworld-changing consequences it's called "flavor dialogue" over here, I believe. SC3: Chaos Theory has them, as a counterexample.

You can invest in certain skills and perks.

You can do this in every game since 2000, buddy.

You can hoard items (oh yeah you can hoard like a miser).

Ditto.

You can go about your business in different ways: gunblazing straight in, sneak around, use your skills to do your objectives (like eliminate enemies's bots, you can enable your side's bots, or attack them straight on with RPG, or use your skill to send spybot from up above to disable them.

Sounds like every stealth action game to me.

It's RPG in my book. 1st person perspective is nothing, since even if you are terrible at twitch game you can just hide, take your time to aim, and snipe at your leisure.

First person and turn-based (a true RPG markup) don't mix well bud, so that's a no.

In case you're wondering why, two words: movement grid.

DEUS EX is RPG. End of story.

You wish.

 

[MetalCraze]

Desu Ex

My dear weaboos, it's either "do sex" or "day of sex".

Well the license belongs to Square Enix now and also there is that D3us 3x trailer so...

1st person perspective is nothing, since even if you are terrible at twitch game you can just hide, take your time to aim, and snipe at your leisure.

Just like in RPG!

 

[AlaCarcuss]

Mind you, all of that isn't bad, it's OK - I'd rather have Deus Ex than some epic-sounding vaporware that included all of the extra stuff that makes CRPGs Fallout so enthralling, but the experience nonetheless is satisfying.

So what you're saying is - it's good for what it is?