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Ulminati

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Tough one.

I'm inclined to vote BB.

On the first question, B is the only choice that will not directly send other planets rallying to the Tyrant en masse.

On the second, I'm not sure I like either of the 3 options. Of the 3, A seems like he'll suffer a severe case of hubris. C is so inevitably going to stab us in the back. So B it is. He'll probably not do as well as the other two initially, but at least there's a smaller chance he'll turn on us.
 

Conkrete Knight

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C, because A is going to lead to direct civilwar with "not-so-separatistic-yet" worlds and B is only going to prolong the problem. STOMP STOMP.

A, because all of them are going to be playballs of the Tyrant. The difference is going to be how they fail.
Quite frankly I think that Tyrant fellow is intriguing, let us see how he reacts.

Also: Genetically engineered you say? Mhhmmm... The "by whom" is really interesting.
 

taplonaplo

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BA

C on second one sounds risky. Liabilities are not what we need in a civil war. Daggers are cool n all till they stab you in the back...
 
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anus_pounder said:
I keep thinking this is all an elaborate plan by some scientist to get the old normal only religious-military dictatorship back.
Lies. Lies and slander.

If Codexia had remained true to it's goal of being pure and unyielding, then this Tyrant would never have achieved the reverance he has achieved on Sand. With this in mind, I vote A, for rescinding the Reformation Accords - they should never have gone through and they will only hurt us. No Space Empire can be bound together if you do not have an iron fist to keep everyone in line. For who to appoint - I choose A, Marc Luis Ferrero, quite simply because he strikes me as a :obviously: sort of person. Exactly the kind of man we need!
 

Radech

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let's try not to meta-game ourselves into early boredom

C in the first choice, because if we return to the days of the respublica the gen-modded mutie terrorists will have won

not so sure about who to lead them, going to go with A for now, B will probably bomb a couple hospitals, and going to cause a PR shitstorm, but he will most likely be way more effective locally than A. C is just planning to fail.
 

Nickless

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I forget, what voting system are we using now?

Regardless, I'm voting BA. C seems like a fantastic option for the last choice, but for the question of loyalty to our cause, which the tyrant is supposed to inspire like he were greater than Napoleon (Funny that he also started in a backwater), and B will just cause the colonist planets to unite against us. That said, I really do see the tyrant fatally exploiting A's ego, maybe at the last moment, to utterly devastate the government.

(Can we also have the option of putting this man as the head of our government? He really seems to be the most meritorious. Lead us o' ubermensch)
 

praetor

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The Brazilian Slaughter said:
CB.

Kill those motherfuckers. KILL THEM ALL!! MURDER THEM TO PIECES!!

Lets see this Tyrant fighting a entire army. Anything else = Failure.

motherfucking THIS. this is NOT the time to be pussies! let's grind those cunts to dust. bombard the planet from orbit! let the others see how Codexia deals with dissent and betrayal!

but yeah, appointing Khan Noonien Singh as our leader would be the most :obviously: choice
 

The Barbarian

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BC - LusciousPear
CC - uona
BC - anus_pounder
BC - Azira
BA - RandomLurker
BB - Ulminati
CA - Conkrete Knight
BA - taplonaplo
CA - juggernaut
AA - Undead Phoenix
BA - root
CA - Radech
AA - Luan
CB - The Brazilian Slaughter
BA - Nickless
BA - wjw
CB - praetor
BA - treave

BC = 3
CC = 1
BA = 6
BB = 1
CA = 3
AA = 2
CB = 2

Winner = BA
 

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’This government’s incompetence continues to astound and bemuse. Ground Force is committed on a host of worlds where Man kills his fellow Man over petty externalities. Why? Freeborn or vat-grown, are we not all human? An extra arm does not cheapen a man’s soul, surely. At the very least, are we not all citizens of the Second Respublica, in any case? Every year, trans-humans help fill this authority’s coffers with their taxes and contributions to the economy. Ladies and gentlemen, you are failing a great number of your taxpayers. You are failing your people. You are pushing them to take a stand.’

- Excerpt from the ‘Plenary Congress Speech of Representative John Newman, 12 August 524AU’

It had been a bold move, holding the Plenary Congress in the midst of the greatest crisis facing the Respublica in more than fifty years. And, as bold moves so often do, it held the potential for both greatness and disaster. But it was a necessary gamble. After all, the troubles on Sand were neither isolated nor aberrant in their seriousness. By 524AU, the year of the Congress, tens of thousands were dead from communitarian violence right across the Respublica. Several worlds were seeing fighting so fierce that the word ‘war’ proved a more apt descriptor than mere ‘conflict’. The appointment of ‘the Gentleman’ Marc Luis Ferrero to the Master Governor General office for the stellar region had proven wise, but inopportune. A diplomat and an administrator, his ability to negotiate truces, concessions and compromises was quickly becoming legendary, but he was not the man to cut the Gordian knot of the underlying conflict. That is to say, he did not fan the clashes, but neither could he prevent their recurrence.

The conflict was exacerbated by the rapid spread of the ‘Freedom Army’ and its politics across Old Phyrria and some of the Core Worlds. John Newman, its leader on Sand, was accused in many quarters of masterminding this spread – an allegation he continued to vehemently deny. The organization and its ideology concentrated on trans-human rights and open resistance to norm violence. Ironically enough, that resistance often took the form of violence verging on terrorism and insurgency. In other words, it fought fire with napalm. But the movement was proving popular with numberless millions of the modified, the poor and the otherwise discontented. It promised liberty and fundamental changes to outmoded thinking in the Respublica. In a very real way, it was quite attractive to right thinking, civically minded folk as much as trans-humans consumed by bitterness and loathing of the ‘inferior norm’. In the heritage territories of the Commonwealth, for example, its emphasis on small government and individualism bought it sympathy, and a fair bit of active support. On the other hand, it had the active allegiance of the vast majority of trans-humanity, who saw in it their government of choice, above and beyond planetary or Respublican authority.

By the time the Plenary Congress met in 524AU on the world of Rebrant, the political landscape had grown very complex, indeed. The Freedom Army was becoming a real player. And so was the unquestioned ‘star’ of the Plenary Congress, John Newman. The trans-human leader, who had been given official recognition only the previous year, had found the perfect platform for his rise to true prominence. As the Representative of Sand and the face of the Freedom movement, he had garnered enormous regional support – as well as the support of those in the Core Worlds who had an axe to grind against the government, or were hoping to replace it. When finally given the opportunity to speak, after some dalliance and stalling on the part of uncomfortable Respublican representatives (who had considered Newman a terrorist, for his part in the Sand War), he became something more than he had been, up until that point. It was a magnificent speech, broadcast across much of the human sphere. A historical speech, even. Newman was absolutely magnetic. Railing against hardline authority, oppression, hate and regression, he left billions scratching their chins.

And to top that effort off, he spent the rest of the Congress successfully combating Respublican attempts to cast him and his movement in a bad light. They were at times clumsy, and at times quite devious, but he managed to bat them away with the practiced ease of a career politician. In the space of a month, Representative Newman had become a household name. Elder Delmunde, for his part, did not acquit himself well in the affair. He made his government look impotent, as charge after charge was left at its feet, unanswered. In the end, the Congress was concluded with no solution to the antagonism between norm and trans-human, and none to the tension between the central government and its planetary ‘vassals’. Instead, it was a showcase for regional politics and the failure of Respublican governance. Most of all, it was Newman’s show to run – and run it he did.

Thereafter, the violence worsened noticeably and the stability of the Respublica, as a whole, became threatened. This powerful, opulent state was being eaten from within by its many demons. Master Governor General Ferrero could not control the situation in Old Phyrria. In mid 525AU, he began to engage Representative Newman with a view to stabilizing the situation and establishing a dialogue, of sorts, with the ‘other side’. Though there was no direct proof, many saw the Freedom Army behind regional dissident advances against right-wing norm groups. In this endeavor, the Gentleman failed profoundly. The trans-human was not to be toyed with. Though Newman was at first co-operative, Ferrero found himself accommodating the Sandian more and more, as the months wore on. Then, he worryingly began expressing sympathy for his political adversary’s position. In 527AU, the Respublican government was forced to sack Ferrero, having discovered a trail of leaked documents leading back to him. Immediately thereafter, he was found openly consorting with Newman, and was soon appointed as a senior official in the Freedom movement.

It was not treason, per se, but it was a hammer blow for Respublican efforts to rescue the situation in Old Phyrria. After Elder Delmunde’s death in 528AU, the Respublican decline accelerated (Elder Hertze was as inept as he was corrupt and nepotistic) and by 530AU most of Old Phyrria, much of the Commonwealth heritage territories and even some Core Worlds either supported or were openly sympathetic to John Newman’s Freedom movement. Worse still, he had also managed to buy or charm numerous senior officers in Space Force and Ground Force. The stage for a showdown was almost set, and something had to be done. Decisions await.

The Respublica is broken. From without, it still appears whole. But there is a cancer at its heart. If we do not cut away the tainted flesh, we risk it all. Choose our last roll of the dice, in stopping the looming avalanche.

Do you... send the greatest assassins in our employ to cut short the career of this would-be ‘liberator’? John Newman is the menace at the root of our problems. He is a conniving, ruthless gangster whose existence threatens that which our hands had built. Kill him. We can always blame norm groups in Old Phyrria. And better we risk more unrest than outright usurpation.

OR

Do you... attempt to remove him from power, legally? This man has broken the laws of the Respublica. He leads the Freedom Army’s clandestine war against our state, and we can prove it, if only we have the fortitude to make the process formal. Yes, there is risk. If we fail, we might cement his legitimacy and moral superiority. But, if we succeed, we can undo much of his work overnight. It is better than risking more violence or even civil war.

OR

Do you... raise the forces you will need to actively suppress the violence across the affected territories and to eliminate the Freedom Army? It will be costly and unpopular, but we can take the rug out from under Freedom’s feet. We just need the manpower and the resources to put in a credible effort. So far, the government has provided neither. Our military is a tool of the state that has gone underused. Let us give it meaning once more.
 

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We are fucked, in all ways.

A. Make a martyr. But would we rather have a martyr, or a genius?

B. Use legal (if impotent power) to remove him from office (does he even need legitimacy)?

C.. Fight a civil war.


We have to think 200 years out from now, just like the transhumans have. We tend to just think 20 years ahead. Respublica needs to be ligitimate even at the cost of its own existence.

It is boring and inept, but a proper government will do B. Only then, can we bring force to bear with full moral authority.
 

Azira

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Woooo!!
Assassins!!!

I vote option A.

One last ploy. Seriously though, I think the old Respublica is fucked no matter what we do, but deploying assassins? :love:
 

The Barbarian

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Conan will say this much:

From the beginning, the Tyrant was meant to rise. That much is not avoidable. The choices this Council makes, however, will result in options (and the lack thereof) later on, when the Age of the Tyrant begins proper.
 

RandomLurker

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A won't work. Nobody's THAT good, and even if they were we'd be making a martyr out of a ridiculously popular man, pretty much guaranteeing civil war. Also, there's the little matter of "what if the assasin gets captured", in which case we'd be ridiculously discredited.

B won't work. We've just seen what the man does if fought with words. This gives us a moral high ground later on, though... or it's going to be seen as uselessly talking with Space Hitler instead of fighting him properly early on.

C won't work. We're already on the verge of civil war - this would definitely make it a reality. Still, it would seem that we're heading in that direction anyway...

In short, we have to decide what flavour of failure we want - and if we're going to fail regardless of what we do here, we might as well at least end up with an army. Voting C, with possible later flip flopping to B.

EDIT: Eh, if we're going down, lets at least go down with some shred of dignity, rather than looking like butthurt reactionary government dumbasses. Flip-flopping to B.
 

Nickless

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As much as I hate it as the less entertaining option, I feel B will give us the moral high-ground when the shit really hits the fan. A is tempting and the most fun, but really it will just add fuel to the fire. I'm voting B with a possible flip-flop to C. (When everyone realises what the tyrant really is, they'll look back at our era and see that we fought the good fight, rather than allow him to gain power legitimately). It's a tough decision really.

Eh screw it, C


Edit: Changing to B
 

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One question, Conan. What happens if we fuck up big time and end with the tyrant controlling all/most of humanity? Do we continue the game as the Tyrant's forces?
 

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