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I'm sick of this bullshit. I'm embarrassed for you if you read that article without thinking either:

(polite) Gee, that gentleman offered the following approach to combatting piracy: first, hire as many pirates as you can to work on your staff; second, make better games. Since I have half a brain, I really must question whether those represent any kind of solution at all. They certainly wouldn't seem to.

(true codexian) What a fucking idiot.

And I'm sick of this hating on DRM. FUCK YOU YOU WHINY LITTLE COMMIE BITCHES.

Gee, I'm sorry games "force" you to be online all the time. Did someone really say that? Every fucking computer is fucking online all the time. Might as well apologize for "forcing" you to plug them in. How fucking made-up and nit-picky does your complaining have to be to bring that into it? What, did you want to play DA2 or whatever on those transatlantic flights you're always taking? Boo fucking who. You can't use your subwoofer on those flight either. Boycott Bose!

Could you actually say with a fucking straight face that better games curb piracy? Even by 1%? Are you just made of fucking stupid? I'm going to say this loudly.

Look at every other fucking form of entertainment media ever.

Take your head out of your ass and fucking look at them all. Quality and sales are not related. Not in movies. Not in books. Not in CONSOLE GAMES FOR FUCK'S SAKE. But you insist on pretending that the PC market is some kind of alternate reality, and in your hippy little minds if the PC devs "would just stop caring about that naughty, dirty money and just remember to put more love into their games" then suddenly the sales would come. Well they won't. Because people don't pay for shit they can get for free. People will pay for absolute dreck on consoles, people will pay to see absolutely shitty movies in the theater for fucking $15+ a head, people will even still buy the latest Nora Roberts or James Patterson rehash; because they either don't know how to get them for free, or because it's too much of a pain in the ass to get them for free. THE QUALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Never, ever has. Never, ever, ever, ever, so please get your fucking head out of your ass and NEVER EVER EVER bring that completely preposterous bullshit up again.

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I love how pirates use GoG as a demonstration of some wonderful digital distribution channel, whilst in another thread down the line you'll see them bashing it and making a smug comment over abandonware and usenet.

That smiley will get a full workout as well.
 

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Yeesh said:
Gee, I'm sorry games "force" you to be online all the time. Did someone really say that? Every fucking computer is fucking online all the time. Might as well apologize for "forcing" you to plug them in. How fucking made-up and nit-picky does your complaining have to be to bring that into it? What, did you want to play DA2 or whatever on those transatlantic flights you're always taking? Boo fucking who. You can't use your subwoofer on those flight either. Boycott Bose!

My games never force me to be online. I can play them offline, even if they have some silly kind of always-online DRM. That's because I pirate them. :smug:

Could you actually say with a fucking straight face that better games curb piracy? Even by 1%? Are you just made of fucking stupid? I'm going to say this loudly.

Could you actually say with a fucking straight face that DRM curbs piracy? Even by 1%? Are you just made of fucking stupid? I'm going to say this loudly.
 
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fizzelopeguss said:
I love how GoG customers use GoG as a demonstration of some wonderful digital distribution channel, whilst in another thread down the line you'll see abandonware guys bashing it and making a smug comment over abandonware and usenet.
Fixed.
 
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My games never force me to be online. I can play them offline, even if they have some silly kind of always-online DRM. That's because I pirate them. :smug:

Haha exactly. I've commented along these lines before. I can get their game free, without any of their bullshit and there's nothing they can do about it.

Why would I put up with ANY TINY INCONVENIENCE at all, when a BETTER, FREE version is available just as, if not more easily.

I certainly don't, or I wouldn't if so many games didn't fucking suck, I think the newest game I've played for more than an hour is nwn2 :( no wait, knights of the chalice fuck yer, oh yeah and I paid for that.
 

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I just find it completely laughable when someone defends any kind of DRM by saying it's necessary and you just have to accept it and it's not too much of an annoyance anyway lol stop bitching.

No, it's not necessary and no, I don't have to accept it, and yes, for some people it might be a horrible annoyance. If you just go to your favourite torrent tracker and download the game for free, you just have to install it, copy the crack, and play. Hey look, there's no inconvenience whatsoever, none of this shit that "is necessary to protect the game" and that "you just have to accept"! Gee, if it's supposed to protect the game, I wonder why I can get a pirate version so easily and the DRM is removed from it.
 

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Yeesh, stop posting stupid shit and get back to making moar porn. The codex needs you!
 

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JarlFrank said:
My games never force me to be online. I can play them offline, even if they have some silly kind of always-online DRM. That's because I pirate them. :smug:

Haha exactly. I've commented along these lines before. I can get their game free, without any of their bullshit and there's nothing they can do about it.

Why would I put up with ANY TINY INCONVENIENCE at all, when a BETTER, FREE version is available just as, if not more easily.

I certainly don't, or I wouldn't if so many games didn't fucking suck, I think the newest game I've played for more than an hour is nwn2 :( no wait, knights of the chalice fuck yer, oh yeah and I paid for that.
Yeah, you guys are so right. Just to be clear, I pirate them too. But I don't use some assanine, completely indefensible and clearly contrary to reality bullshit justificaton like "DUR I JES DO IT BECAUSE GAMEZ SUCK. I DOWNLOAD GAEMZ AND PLAY THEM BEECUZ THEY SUCK. THAT'S WHY I TAEK THE TIEM TO PLAYZ THEM: BECAUZ THEY SUCK."

I can't emphasize enough how silly I find that excuse. It doesn't even make sense on its own terms.

Me, I pirate the games because money is valuable to me and I'd rather get the games for free. If a game is small and indie, I might buy it; half because I feel good about supporting an indie dev, and half because (and I suspect you're well, well aware of this) you can't get decent updates from the warez scene for indie games. For example, you can get KotC off torrent, but you can't get the latest version. I bought Dominions III, and that simple fact helped me decide to part with my money. So don't pretend it's pure altruism.

But even if it were pure altruism, that's so, so, so obviously not a sustainable business model. Are you actually telling yourself it is and still pretending you live in the real world? I mean honestly? Everybody should just pay what they feel like and the industry will thrive? That could lead to a robust PC gaming industry in your universe?

Anyway I guess the question is, here in the real world, are most people who pirate like me, they do it because they can get shit for free? Or are they like you pretend to be, people who only do it because damnit, there just aren't enough quality games in the world that cost money? Or because, damnit, they just don't want their gaming PC, which is permanently connected to the internet, to have to be going online EVERY SINGLE TIME they play, since that might wear out its ethernet port or wireless antenna?

Again I direct you to every other sort of media, including gaming consoles for fuck sake. Everywhere else, lousy products sell assloads. Recycled shit, dumbed down crap sells like hotcakes. Why do you think the PC market should be different FROM EVERY OTHER ENTERTAINMENT MEDIA MARKET? Do you honestly think about this at all, or do you just plug your ears and go "Shut up lamerz! I'm on the side of JUSTICE!"
 

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Yeesh said:
Or because, damnit, they just don't want their gaming PC, which is permanently connected to the internet, to have to be going online EVERY SINGLE TIME they play, since that might wear out its ethernet port or wireless antenna?

Sure, I'm pretty much constantly online. Unless I got connection problems, which is bad enough. LOL CAN'T PLAY THE GAME UNLESS YOU FIX YOUR CONNECTION PROBS, BRO! Yeah nice, I paid for the damn game so I pretty much should be able to play it whenever I want.

The point is, it can be an inconvenience. And it pretty much tells you "hey bro that game you paid for, you don't really own it, if we ever decide to de-activate the game severs in say, 10 years because nobody plays that old shit anymore or heck, if we go bankrupt, you won't be able to play the game ever again!" which also makes me, as a customer, and as a guy who likes to replay certain games after a few years, more likely to torrent instead of buy.

The point is also that DRM like this is entirely fucking useless because the scene will release a crack and everyone can pirate the game and play it without the DRM.
 

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Yeesh, I'm sorry but there's no compromise on the issue here. What JarlFrank wrote in the post just above mine is hard truth, and if you disagree with any of it you're in denial or avoiding the issue.

Pirates do as pirates wish, but defending any form of DRM is pure dumbfuckery and if that's what you're doing you should consider yourself one.
 
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JarlFrank said:
Yeesh said:
Or because, damnit, they just don't want their gaming PC, which is permanently connected to the internet, to have to be going online EVERY SINGLE TIME they play, since that might wear out its ethernet port or wireless antenna?

Sure, I'm pretty much constantly online. Unless I got connection problems, which is bad enough. LOL CAN'T PLAY THE GAME UNLESS YOU FIX YOUR CONNECTION PROBS, BRO! Yeah nice, I paid for the damn game so I pretty much should be able to play it whenever I want.
Ha. Guess what I usually do when my internet connection is down? Yes, I'm starting to play games (normally I'm too busy using the internets).
 

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PC gaming didn't die during the 90's and it didn't die during the last ten years either. Music and film piracy is thriving and hasn't brought down any studios or record labels as far as I know. So it's fairly lame to use piracy as an excuse like some developers and publishers do.

But I do agree with Yeesh that it's hypocritical of the guy interviewed that if PC games were somehow better across the board that you would have less piracy. That just doesn't compute at all. There wasn't any less piracy during the 90's, after all.

That doesn't justify DRM as pretty much every form of it has been cracked - even if it has taken two weeks in few special cases.
 
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Yeah, you guys are so right. Just to be clear, I pirate them too. But I don't use some assanine, completely indefensible and clearly contrary to reality bullshit justificaton like "DUR I JES DO IT BECAUSE GAMEZ SUCK. I DOWNLOAD GAEMZ AND PLAY THEM BEECUZ THEY SUCK. THAT'S WHY I TAEK THE TIEM TO PLAYZ THEM: BECAUZ THEY SUCK."
Not quite what I'm saying. I don't even pirate games that suck, I don't even play them. Some I've "demoed" just to delete, most I see my gamingwhore friend play or use his machine briefly, decide it fucking sucks and carry on living.

What I am saying is when I can get all their shit for free even better than the paid version and there is nothing the can do about it, the market is completely in my favour and it's 100% my way or the fucking highway. If a game I fucking love has any DRM at all, I just pirate it, I don't give a shit. In the past I would put up with a CD key but now that just pisses me off as an absolutely pointless little pain in my ass.

So if there was a game I actually wanted, basically only turnbased rpgs with party creation these days(lol lots o them) and 100% drm free I would buy it. If I wanted to play the witcher 2 I would buy it, but I don't, dang it. But even If I love it any kind of DRM and they can shove it. Not for JUSTICE or some bullshit, but because I don't buy anything I don't really want, if it doesn't meet my needs 100% they can fuck off.

And when I don't have to buy it at all publishers should be enticing me to pay rather than putting this bullshit in there games when it does not work at all, it is just fucking retarded.

But even if it were pure altruism, that's so, so, so obviously not a sustainable business model. Are you actually telling yourself it is and still pretending you live in the real world? I mean honestly? Everybody should just pay what they feel like and the industry will thrive? That could lead to a robust PC gaming industry in your universe?

On this point, I don't give a shit if it's a sustainable business model or any of that, that's irrelevant, it simply IS the real world. Give me what I want or fuck off, I don't care.

Side note, Seeing as how heroic fantasy games are really the only company I'm aware of making what I wanna play, couldn't give a shit if the industry thrives or not, as you pointed too, thriving business is usually just the massive overproduction of cheapest, basest, shittiest products that retards eat up, they do pay for their garbage more than the more discerning customer though, so I see the downward spiral in them being catered too more. Apathy is the only solution.
 

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Seeing as how I'm so much less intelligent than the other good members of this online community, I suppose it was inevitable that what seemed a clear distinction to my simple mind was lost through my inability to express myself properly.

I am not defending DRM.

I'm attacking people who complain about DRM.
I'm calling them whiny little bitches, as a matter of fact. Present company excluded, of course.

Jarl, did you just simultaneously say that DRM never prevents anyone from playing games, and also that DRM is wrong because it will prevent you from playing games? Because, and again this is probably just my simplicity, I'm having trouble reconciling those two positions. You actually do have connection problems? I'm sorry to hear that. Isn't it a good thing that any DRM that might potentially, theoretically render a game unplayable is completely negated by the hacker community? I think so too. So why do you care again?

Suppose you were in the market to buy a TV. Someone wants to sell you one you like BUT on it is a device that restricts it from watching certain channels (that you love!), and oh btw said device is really easy for you to remove.

Does that justify your removing it? I'd say hell yes. It's your TV, after all.

Does that justify you stealing the fucking TV because how dare they try to sell you something that isn't exactly what you want the way you want it? I'd say no.

Do I pirate games anyway? Sure. Because I can. I don't dress it up like I'm striking a blow for freedom. I don't pretend that EA somehow wronged me by making their product and I'm getting revenge by taking what's rightly mine. That would be stupid.

Do any of you honestly want to pretend you can't grasp why DRM exists? Do you actually believe, and I mean I've actually seen people write this, that it's some sort of trick? Some kind of con? Some kind of insult? Like EA games personally wants to spit in your face, like they give a shit and for no extra motive besides spite they're trying to piss you off?

DRM exists because the people who make the games and the people who publish the games want to be paid for it. That's the entire story. What exactly is there to get up in arms about here?

And let me correct what seems to be a misconception, although I admit it's an entirely understanding one considering the esteemed and experienced online personages with whom your average Codexer has the privilege of interacting; DRM does work, to an extent.

I can say that without knowing the figures. I don't mean it "works" as in it's halted piracy. I mean that it "works" as in there's some kid out there somewhere who tried to install his friend's copy of the game and was thwarted. That's probably all anyone in the game publishing community expects it to do.

The misconception you seem to have is that every single PC gamer is sophisticated enough to even know what an .nfo file is, and while I commend the high view you have of the general public, I'm afraid you're just mistaken.

Just about everything I've said has been ignored so that people could trot out their same old complaints about DRM, but let me again direct you to a very similar market: the consoles. Are consoles "cracked" such that you can download ISOs and play them on your PS3 or XBOX360? My understanding is that yes they are. And yet for some crazy reason, everyone in the business seems to feel, very very strongly, that piracy is less of a problem on those consoles.

Question: By your "sucky gaems = moar piracy durr!" logic, do you conclude that consoles have better games? I'll answer for you and say of fucking course they don't. What they do have is

1) a much higher barrier to piracy in the form of having to fuck around with your consoles in some way to get them to play ISOs, and

2) a less sophisticated bunch of end users

As a result, less piracy.

And it's not from better games, so shut up and never say that again.

And it's not from better treatment by the game publishers, so shut up and never say that again.

Just because it's more of a pain in the ass to do it. Which is all I've been saying. People take stuff for free because it's easy and because they can. People don't because it's either too much of a pain in the ass, or because they can't. Your bullshit justifications are just flat out lies. They annoy me. One thousand pardons if there's some side of the issue I'm not seeing, but maybe someone should present it in clear, simple terms so I can understand it.
 

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space odyssey said:
On this point, I don't give a shit if it's a sustainable business model or any of that, that's irrelevant, it simply IS the real world. Give me what I want or fuck off, I don't care.
So in your version of the real world, if people want something they'll pay for it out of a sense of honor and justice. But if you insult them by trying to MAKE them pay for it, they'll just take it.

That's so much more true to life than my contention that people will just take shit for free whenever they can.

The real world works like this: People like us are through paying for games UNLESS the industry can figure out how to make us. And you wonder why they spend so much money on DRM instead of focusing on the games...
 
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Yeesh said:
space odyssey said:
On this point, I don't give a shit if it's a sustainable business model or any of that, that's irrelevant, it simply IS the real world. Give me what I want or fuck off, I don't care.
So in your version of the real world, if people want something they'll pay for it out of a sense of honor and justice. But if you insult them by trying to MAKE them pay for it, they'll just take it.

That's so much more true to life than my contention that people will just take shit for free whenever they can.

The real world works like this: People like us are through paying for games UNLESS the industry can figure out how to make us. And you wonder why they spend so much money on DRM instead of focusing on the games...

And they CAN'T MAKE US, they HAVE NOT been able to make us and they WILL NOT be able to make us. I agree with you and in such situations haha yes a bit of altruism is THE BEST THEY CAN HOPE FOR.

And no, I do not believe hardly any one will be paying for JUSTICE or someshit, but the fact is, pirates gonna pirate, suckers gonna pay, save yourself some cash and hassle on drm bullshit, save paying customers some pain in the ass, shit stays pretty much the same, except I would actually pay for ToEE 2 drm free, so that's 1 more sale for the imaginary de-evolved rpg.

As to your other post, I think most are bitching about DRM in general, not on topic like yourself, and don't go for the better games stops piracy, I agree with your perspective on less sophisticated end user, dumber user is less likely to know how to pirate, what does dumber user like? usually simpler, shitty games. So way shittier, simpler way way more mainstream titles actually decrease piracy not better games, eg the sims, though that shits probably rocket surgery compared to newer casual games idk.
 
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Suppose you were in the market to buy a TV. Someone wants to sell you one you like BUT on it is a device that restricts it from watching certain channels (that you love!), and oh btw said device is really easy for you to remove.

Does that justify your removing it? I'd say hell yes. It's your TV, after all.

Does that justify you stealing the fucking TV because how dare they try to sell you something that isn't exactly what you want the way you want it? I'd say no.

I'm not going to read a wall of bullshit, but let me reply directly to this instance of bullshit:

TVs are different from a game. Any TV can receive the same channels and you can choose which to buy knowing that you aren't limited either way. When PCs themselves start implementing DRM then this comparison would be logical. To compare this with games you would have to have every game offered both with DRM and without DRM. Have DRM on the steam version or whatever, retail stores have a 1 time CD-Key check and no DRM afterwords. If publishers would go with that then I don't think anyone would be complaining.

Furthermore, the usual piracy != stealing thing. You are welcome to steal my TV as many times as you want, as long as the "stealing" involves absolutely no change to the condition or location of the TV. Go ahead, I'm OK with that. Really.
 

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I am not defending DRM. I'm attacking people who complain about DRM.

So tell me, how is silencing its detractors anything but indirectly defending it?

Jarl, did you just simultaneously say that DRM never prevents anyone from playing games, and also that DRM is wrong because it will prevent you from playing games? Because, and again this is probably just my simplicity, I'm having trouble reconciling those two positions.

Translation: DRM never prevents pirates from playing games (you know, those guys against whom DRM was developed) but it prevents paying customers from enjoying their own hard-earned game to its fullest, if at all.

Suppose you were in the market to buy a TV. Someone wants to sell you one you like BUT on it is a device that restricts it from watching certain channels (that you love!), and oh btw said device is really easy for you to remove.

Does that justify your removing it? I'd say hell yes. It's your TV, after all.

Does that justify you stealing the fucking TV because how dare they try to sell you something that isn't exactly what you want the way you want it? I'd say no.

Comrade Manatee already replied to this, but let me add that a more relevant example for you is DVD regions. You move from Kwanzania and it won't play on your new DVD player? Fuck that, you pirate that shit and pirate it hard.

Do I pirate games anyway? Sure. Because I can. I don't dress it up like I'm striking a blow for freedom. I don't pretend that EA somehow wronged me by making their product and I'm getting revenge by taking what's rightly mine. That would be stupid.

Do any of you honestly want to pretend you can't grasp why DRM exists? Do you actually believe, and I mean I've actually seen people write this, that it's some sort of trick? Some kind of con? Some kind of insult? Like EA games personally wants to spit in your face, like they give a shit and for no extra motive besides spite they're trying to piss you off?

DRM exists because the people who make the games and the people who publish the games want to be paid for it. That's the entire story. What exactly is there to get up in arms about here?

That it doesn't work? That they, knowing from a decade of experience that it doesn't work, choose to fuck you over by including it anyway? How is that not a spit in the face? How is that not an insult to buyers everywhere when they expect us to buy their recycled bullshit explanations every time? Maybe because lying about PC piracy as a scapegoat gives them carte-blanche to focus on simpler console games that reduce development time and costs, thus increasing their profit margin? Which explanation is more likely, that companies are stupid or that they're greedy?

And let me correct what seems to be a misconception, although I admit it's an entirely understanding one considering the esteemed and experienced online personages with whom your average Codexer has the privilege of interacting; DRM does work, to an extent.

I can say that without knowing the figures. I don't mean it "works" as in it's halted piracy. I mean that it "works" as in there's some kid out there somewhere who tried to install his friend's copy of the game and was thwarted. That's probably all anyone in the game publishing community expects it to do.

The misconception you seem to have is that every single PC gamer is sophisticated enough to even know what an .nfo file is, and while I commend the high view you have of the general public, I'm afraid you're just mistaken.

And I can also say without any figures that there's a lot of bros like our resident JarlFrank that didn't buy the game and/or pirated it specifically because of the DRM. Your misconception is that everybody with a wallet is too stupid to notice they're being screwed over.

Just about everything I've said has been ignored so that people could trot out their same old complaints about DRM, but let me again direct you to a very similar market: the consoles. Are consoles "cracked" such that you can download ISOs and play them on your PS3 or XBOX360? My understanding is that yes they are. And yet for some crazy reason, everyone in the business seems to feel, very very strongly, that piracy is less of a problem on those consoles.

Very very wrongly, more like it. IIRC, Black Ops, DA2, ME2, AP, AssCreed2 and other recent high-profile games leaked for X360 first and had almost as many leechers as their PC counterparts that came later. I already addressed this consolitis issue above, and it applies here too.

Question: By your "sucky gaems = moar piracy durr!" logic, do you conclude that consoles have better games? I'll answer for you and say of fucking course they don't.

That's a strawman. Only the guy in the article is claiming that, and let me point out that I called him out on how non-sequitur that is before you even saw this thread. Even morons can rally for the right cause now and again, though the rest of his rant makes good points.

Just because it's more of a pain in the ass to do it. Which is all I've been saying. People take stuff for free because it's easy and because they can. People don't because it's either too much of a pain in the ass, or because they can't. Your bullshit justifications are just flat out lies. They annoy me. One thousand pardons if there's some side of the issue I'm not seeing, but maybe someone should present it in clear, simple terms so I can understand it.

Your "simple folk" persona is cute and all, but despite your sarcastic delivery you are missing some important things. The whole problem is that we've passed the point where pirating something is too much of a pain in the ass to do. It's much more of a pain in the ass to deal with overpriced DRM-infested malware posing as a game. Nobody minded the simple CD-key check that used to be the standard. Yes, there were pirates then too, but there are always thieves out there. But that was a different time and by the looks of things these days, a better time.
 

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YEESH BRO YOU ARE A DICK

YOU TRIED TO MAKE A NUANCED POINT BRO WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU LET ME DEMONSTRATE THE RIGHT WAYT TO ARGUE IT HERE

LOLLOLOLLOL DRM IS FOR DOG FUCKERS
 

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So, Yeesh, you pirate your games. I pirate some games too, and much for the same reason you have stated: I can. If I couldn't, I wouldn't. But I wouldn't buy the shit either, simply because I can't actually afford all the stuff that I pirate.

But I also buy some games. In 2010 I spent about 300€ on PC games (I haven't owned and/or operated a console since my Mega Drive joined the big game room in the sky :salute: ). Sure, it is not a huge sum, and none of the big publishers would miss it if it was gone. I even suspect that EA/Ubisoft/Activision and all would much rather I keep it, if it also meant I would shut up about their shit development and marketing practices. So it's a good thing that most of it was for indie stuff :smug:.

I don't know how long has it been since you payed for a single player game. I suspect a long time. You claim that DRM detractors annoy you, when you, the pirate, are not affected by it. At all. It only negative impacts mine, the paying customer's, experience*. So fuck you, I have the right to bitch and whine about it. Far more importantly, however, I have the absolute right to not buy a game I otherwise would, based on the DRM it uses.

* I can anticipate that some retard is going to ask "how does it negatively affect you"? I recently decided to give Runaway 2 a spin, since I enjoyed the first game. I had bought it when it first came out, but never got around to playing it (that's a habit I have thankfully grown over. I never buy a game these days, if I know I won't have time for it in the foreseeable future, unless it's in dirt-cheap sales). Guess what. The game runs fine in Windows 7, but the retarded Tages CD-check (did some people say that simple cd checks are ok? Fuck that too, it is just as likely to give you hassle 5+ years down the road) doesn't. It won't even let the freaking thing install, so a crack can be applied afterwards. The only solution is to infect your rig with an updated Tages rootkit, which would be bad enough if it worked reliably, which it doesn't. I have an older XP rig around, but fuck me if I juggle PCs to accomodate a retarded DRM scheme.
 

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