Football manager is hardcore and have rpg elements too,still that does not make it RPG.
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Gurkog
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What is an RPG and why? discuss!
Machocruz
Arcane
What is considered "monocled?" Requires considerable brain power and/or skill acquisition, learning? Then almost no RPGs qualify. That's how we know consoletards are tards, because they think 90s CRPGs were too complex. Only strategies and sims are monocled.
Or is it simply a matter of a game appealing to the contemplative mind as opposed to the twitchy thumbs, even if the twitchy thumb game is the more demanding? (Let's assume at least a moderate level of challenge for the contemplative game, so we can exclude stuff like Dear Esther)
Or is it simply a matter of a game appealing to the contemplative mind as opposed to the twitchy thumbs, even if the twitchy thumb game is the more demanding? (Let's assume at least a moderate level of challenge for the contemplative game, so we can exclude stuff like Dear Esther)
DragoFireheart
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It's a miserable little pile of secrets!
dunno lah
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Speaking of pile of secrets, did anyone get strong vibes of Castlevania when facing the False King in DeS? Even his theme was appropriately Castlevania-like. In Allant's case, we'd be a pile of souls...
Severian Silk
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Gothic is playable with a controller. I don't see why they didn't re-release it for XBLA or whatever.
bonescraper
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Are you sure you belong here, sir?
Well, i always thought, we revere RPGs for its reactive worlds, C&C, freedom of choice, storytelling, writing, tactical combat (sometimes, if it's good) etc? And you say, a shitty wapanese thrid person slasher is a great RPG because of its difficulty alone?
Fuck, crank that difficulty up in Dragon Age 2, and its the best RPG EVER! Because it will also have some C&C and other irrelevant shit i mentioned while being FUCKING HARDKKKORE.
And don't fucking compare DS to Gothic. It's third person, therfore it's similar? Really? That's your point?
Fallout 3 is a better RPG than Dark Souls. Yeah, suck it. You may consider DS a better game, but that's irrelevant.
meanwhileInPoland
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Are you sure you belong here, sir?
Well, i always thought, we revere RPGs for its reactive worlds, C&C, freedom of choice, storytelling, writing, tactical combat (sometimes, if it's good) etc? And you say, a shitty wapanese thrid person slasher is a great RPG because of its difficulty alone?
Fuck, crank that difficulty up in Dragon Age 2, and its the best RPG EVER! Because it will also have some C&C and other irrelevant shit i mentioned while being FUCKING HARDKKKORE.
And don't fucking compare DS to Gothic. It's third person, therfore it's similar? Really? That's your point?
Fallout 3 is a better RPG than Dark Souls. Yeah, suck it. You may consider DS a better game, but that's irrelevant.
there is not a singe thing that fallout 3 does better than DS. and definetely not the bolded things. suck it
Dragon's Dogma fills all that with flying colors (maybe not the writing).
Kem0sabe
Arcane
Are you sure you belong here, sir?
Well, i always thought, we revere RPGs for its reactive worlds, C&C, freedom of choice, storytelling, writing, tactical combat (sometimes, if it's good) etc? And you say, a shitty wapanese thrid person slasher is a great RPG because of its difficulty alone?
Fuck, crank that difficulty up in Dragon Age 2, and its the best RPG EVER! Because it will also have some C&C and other irrelevant shit i mentioned while being FUCKING HARDKKKORE.
And don't fucking compare DS to Gothic. It's third person, therfore it's similar? Really? That's your point?
Fallout 3 is a better RPG than Dark Souls. Yeah, suck it. You may consider DS a better game, but that's irrelevant.
I was writing a long winded response to your post but half way through i just thought "fuck it".
Black_Willow
Arcane
Too bad it doesn't
Oh really? Care to tell why?
Game world is huge, full of quests with various outcomes, great combat and 3 companions to manage, and A LOT of subtle C&C - not CHOOSE A OR B NOW - that you don't realize the full extension until you replay it and see everything going differently.
Game world is huge, full of quests with various outcomes, great combat and 3 companions to manage, and A LOT of subtle C&C - not CHOOSE A OR B NOW - that you don't realize the full extension until you replay it and see everything going differently.
AW8
Arcane
There can be only one Master Race. I'm sorry DragoFireheart, but you and all of your kind will have to be eradicated.
Only the Unity can end the Decline.
Only the Unity can end the Decline.
DragoFireheart
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DragoFireheart
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Karellen
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I find it puzzling that a forum of people who frequently swear by 320x240 adventure games and 640x480 classic CRPGs and loathe the majority of modern games suddenly seem to consider high-resolution graphics an immensely important thing whenever someone mentions console gaming.
It seems to me that there is a particular subset of the population that gains satisfaction from knowing that the games they are playing look just a little bit sharper than they do for the rest of humanity. I find that I do not belong to this group. What I really want is for a game to look the way it was, for a lack of better word, intended to look. Indeed, high resolution is important in this respect - when you have a high-resolution computer monitor. I've spent literally hours fiddling with emulator graphics settings to get Vagrant Story to look just right, and high resolution and filters make a huge difference on a monitor. The kicker, though, is that at the end of the day the game still looks best overall on a plain old TV screen that blurs the low-res graphics evenly and renders the colours correctly.
When it comes to actual graphical quality, it is generally known that art design is vastly more important than graphical fidelity. That's the reason why some old games (mainly 2D games, admittedly) look great to this day. Aside of art design in general, the major bottlenecks in realistic 3D visuals have to do with the quality of animation, consistency of the environment, the prevalence of visual bugs and glitches, whether effects and physics function as intended, and details in things like facial expressions - and any problems in these aspects actually become even more apparent when resolution is increased. A game tends to look about as good as its worst element. Generally speaking, consoles provide a stable, relatively hassle-free, though outdated platform in which developers can make the most out of the assets they have at their disposal, rather than having to account for variations, which allows for a lot of emphasis on good art design. Often, this results in a lot of polish in the presentation, and at worst, at least the game generally looks the way the developers intended it to, which is more than can be said for PC games at low settings.
There are plenty of good reasons to prefer PC gaming, such as modding, Steam sales, keyboard and mouse, the presence of genres that consoles are bad for, indies, ability to adjust settings to maintain a good frame rate, et cetera. But I well and truly fail to see how the quality of visuals are a real advantage for the PC in any meaningful way, and why people otherwise blessed with some insight when it comes to games would even care so much.
It seems to me that there is a particular subset of the population that gains satisfaction from knowing that the games they are playing look just a little bit sharper than they do for the rest of humanity. I find that I do not belong to this group. What I really want is for a game to look the way it was, for a lack of better word, intended to look. Indeed, high resolution is important in this respect - when you have a high-resolution computer monitor. I've spent literally hours fiddling with emulator graphics settings to get Vagrant Story to look just right, and high resolution and filters make a huge difference on a monitor. The kicker, though, is that at the end of the day the game still looks best overall on a plain old TV screen that blurs the low-res graphics evenly and renders the colours correctly.
When it comes to actual graphical quality, it is generally known that art design is vastly more important than graphical fidelity. That's the reason why some old games (mainly 2D games, admittedly) look great to this day. Aside of art design in general, the major bottlenecks in realistic 3D visuals have to do with the quality of animation, consistency of the environment, the prevalence of visual bugs and glitches, whether effects and physics function as intended, and details in things like facial expressions - and any problems in these aspects actually become even more apparent when resolution is increased. A game tends to look about as good as its worst element. Generally speaking, consoles provide a stable, relatively hassle-free, though outdated platform in which developers can make the most out of the assets they have at their disposal, rather than having to account for variations, which allows for a lot of emphasis on good art design. Often, this results in a lot of polish in the presentation, and at worst, at least the game generally looks the way the developers intended it to, which is more than can be said for PC games at low settings.
There are plenty of good reasons to prefer PC gaming, such as modding, Steam sales, keyboard and mouse, the presence of genres that consoles are bad for, indies, ability to adjust settings to maintain a good frame rate, et cetera. But I well and truly fail to see how the quality of visuals are a real advantage for the PC in any meaningful way, and why people otherwise blessed with some insight when it comes to games would even care so much.
AstroZombie
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I assume most of those people are also aware that those games came out years and in some cases, decades ago, so they shouldn't be held to modern standards when it comes to visuals. High-resolution graphics are important(to some) when we're talking about games released in the current console cycle and games that will be released on the next.
MetalCraze
Arcane
Karellen said:
What's so puzzling about pretending to be "hardcore" to seem better than the rest of the bydlo out there? It took you almost two years to ask this question to yourself? FUCK YOU
Manjuice Nutella
Arcane
Gurkog
Erudite
A lot of those old games had cutting edge graphics upon release. So they are for graphics whores who appreciate that shit.
True.Not sure I ever heard someone saying "Boy, only if this game looked worse"
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PCs are superior to consoles in the sense that everything you can do on a console can be done on a PC but the reverse is not true. This does not mean console games are inherently shit, but why chose the inferior platform?
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Game needs better hitboxes
Cassidy
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The fact such a discussion even exists here is an example of how much this site has been infected with weeaboos and consoletards, among other race traitors and Quislings.
*Edit: those three images sum up everything about modern consoles.
*Edit: those three images sum up everything about modern consoles.
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