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Well the 19,XXX brofists I had before I bet all on me vs crispy were taken AFTER i won that bet, and then I bet again on the condition that the kill differential would be greater than one so I should have that 19,XXX brofists doubled, then that total doubled... plus what I have earned since. Fists were to be restored based on my agreed participation and held in escrow or whatever.

Also your eternal friendship.
So I'll just give you 19k and we can call it even?

Eternal Friendship is worth a lot.
 
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You can't bet the same brofists twice Menck. You needed to have the fists to cover all bets at the time of betting. No bookmaker would let you place multiple bets on the same dollar bill.
 

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Well the 19,XXX brofists I had before I bet all on me vs crispy were taken AFTER i won that bet, and then I bet again on the condition that the kill differential would be greater than one so I should have that 19,XXX brofists doubled, then that total doubled... plus what I have earned since. Fists were to be restored based on my agreed participation and held in escrow or whatever.

Also your eternal friendship.
So I'll just give you 19k and we can call it even?

Eternal Friendship is worth a lot.
:lol: That'll mean I can come sleep on your couch any time I want, right? FYI I sleep naked with no blankets.
 

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Andhaira is not banned. As such bets to unban him were ruled invalid.

That is a ridiculous extrapolation and you know it. :x

First, Andhaira is tecnically banned from posting in any forum except a sole thread in the Let's Play forum. Furthermore he also does not have private message privileges so he cannot specify the exact wording of bet conditions to anyone.

Second, in the first tourney of Menck vs Crispy Andhaira made some specific bets of his own in the Grimrock LP thread that have as of yet not been fulfilled.

It's been 2+ years DU, the Grimrock LP is not happening because Andhaira has other commitments and as such cannot devote time to a LP. Let's not continue with this cock codex blocking.
 
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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
For future reference, if this kind of competition ever happens again, I bet my shitposter tag to Crispy on Menck winning, and will take douchebag tag in case Menck loses.

You can't make win-win bets, the douchebag tag is the most desired tag on the codex. I'm probably the biggest asshole here and it's still as elusive as ever.
 

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You can't bet the same brofists twice Menck. You needed to have the fists to cover all bets at the time of betting. No bookmaker would let you place multiple bets on the same dollar bill.
He did have them.

He had 19,xxx when he made the first bet, and when he beat Crispy, making it 2x 19,xxx. Then his fists were taken. He then agreed to this match only on the condition that his fists would be returned should he participate, in such a way that he would be allowed to bet them on this match. This was agreed to, and he bet the 2x 19,xxx as well. He did everything legitimately and by the book, your complaint is invalid.

The reward should therefore be 4x 19,xxx, so somewhere between 76000 and 79996 fists. A reasonable middle would be 78000ish.
Calculated it for you DarkUnderlord, so you can be as lazy as you like.
 
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Was this before or after he had them all confiscated though? and would these fists go to scrooge or menck?

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Ah, mistead the above. Seems in order then, assuming there's some kind of proof that the match was played on the condition that Menck had his fists returned. Can't find any mention of it when searching.
 

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Was this before or after he had them all confiscated though? and would these fists go to scrooge or menck?
Mencks were never given to Scrooge. Get your brofist confiscation history straight.

This was literally all agreed upon before the match even started, loopholes were shut tight. My numbers are accurate. Relax, you don't need to audit this.

Mencks reward as per the agreed terms of match and betting is between 76000 and 79996 fists.
 
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Not auditing LundB. just wondering. I mean, menck demands the brofists returned on page 1, but I just can't find any mention of DU agreeing to this. So it seems more like he should have the 20-30 fists he had at the start of the match doubled.
All I can find mention of is DU saying you can bet fists you already have and transferrign tags you already have.

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'k, found it on page 4.
But the fists are still returned after the match is played, not before. So he didn't have them to bet with at the time of the match.
 

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Not auditing LundB. just wondering. I mean, menck demands the brofists returned on page 1, but I just can't find any mention of DU agreeing to this. So it seems more like he should have the 20-30 fists he had at the start of the match doubled.
All I can find mention of is DU saying you can bet fists you already have and transferrign tags you already have.

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'k, found it on page 4.
But the fists are still returned after the match is played, not before. So he didn't have them to bet with at the time of the match.
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ial-betting-thread.97900/page-11#post-3822833

Wrong. It was agreed he could bet the ~40k escrow fists.

I have a PhD in Fistonomics, never question me again.
 
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Everything seems to be in order then. Shit like this should've been moved to the OP of thread so we wouldn't have to dig for it.
 

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What's his fee? What % do you owe him?

Most state bar associations require a certain number of annual hours be pro bono.

LundB has been gracious enough to dedicate his time to a few cases here on the Codex, in lieu of the fact that many of us cannot afford counsel.
 
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Was this before or after he had them all confiscated though? and would these fists go to scrooge or menck?
Mencks were never given to Scrooge. Get your brofist confiscation history straight.

This was literally all agreed upon before the match even started, loopholes were shut tight. My numbers are accurate. Relax, you don't need to audit this.

Mencks reward as per the agreed terms of match and betting is between 76000 and 79996 fists.
A proper lawyer would know the exact amount, and have kept the records to prove it.

You sir, are therefore a charlatan and a fraud. And I question your legal credentials.

I bet you can't even tell me exactly how many fists were transferred to Scrooge for safe-keeping. These are brofists my learned friend! You can't just give a rough estimate. All brofists must be accurately accounted for and expended in accordance with the law.
 

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Was this before or after he had them all confiscated though? and would these fists go to scrooge or menck?
Mencks were never given to Scrooge. Get your brofist confiscation history straight.

This was literally all agreed upon before the match even started, loopholes were shut tight. My numbers are accurate. Relax, you don't need to audit this.

Mencks reward as per the agreed terms of match and betting is between 76000 and 79996 fists.
A proper lawyer would know the exact amount, and have kept the records to prove it.

You sir, are therefore a charlatan and a fraud. And I question your legal credentials.

I bet you can't even tell me exactly how many fists were transferred to Scrooge for safe-keeping. These are brofists my learned friend! You can't just give a rough estimate. All brofists must be accurately accounted for and expended in accordance with the law.
A proper official would keep records of the exact numbers of brofists he has taken as punishments, and make those records available for legal proceedings. Instead we have been left with vague posts along the lines of 'I have removed all of X's fists' with no indication of what those numbers are, or prior warning so that lawyers and record keepers could record the exact numbers. A lawyer cannot be blamed for not having access to information the state has concealed through negligence or malicious intent. Not keeping records of fists taken is like not keeping track of how long you've sentenced a man to prison or why, and hiding it from the public, a mockery of justice.

You sir, are therefore a charlatan and a fraud. And I question your law enforcement and judicial credentials.

It is becoming increasingly clear that the style of lawyering accepted in all enlightened nations with true rule of law is limited in effectiveness here, as the justice system apparently bears more resemblance to that of show trials in communist China or some African dictatorship, albeit less organized and more whimsically malevolent. There is only so much a freedom-loving lawyer can do to fight the good fight in such circumstances.
 
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