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Kayerts

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No, probably the expedition would not have ended any differently, since to a true-believing medieval christian, both disasters are equally manifest a sign of heavenly disfavour. Only an autistic fedora-wearer capable only of literal thinking would equate the sudden drowning of a crusading king to "discovering armour doesn't float" rather than a sign from god.

Nah bro. Barbarossa was a good emperor, but even under him, the HRE had internal turmoil. Losing Barbarossa meant that the heir presumptive to the imperial throne was Henry VI, who (a) had a feud going on with Richard and was unlikely to join arms in the crusade and (b) depending on who you listen to, may have just meant that the bulk of the nobles in the army were suddenly more interested in succession issues than in some nobody named Salah ad-Din.

The true believers (circa 5% of the German armies) weren't really intimidated. They soldiered on under Fred of Swabia for a while, until most of them died of fever. (Because, in a surprise twist, Barbarossa's death really was a sign from God that all Germans who joined the Crusade would perish.)

To tie this to our earlier discussion, the chain of events mentioned in (b) above (leader dies, new leader aborts an ongoing war) tend to happen when leaders of large states with many vassals die during expeditionary war, the most well-known example outside of Barbarossa probably being the recall of Batu Khan to the kurultai following Ogedei's death. Again, this is not the situation we face here. No one is going to stop leading armies to consolidate their claim in the resulting power vacuum in the capital, because there will be more of a total vacuum of all life in the capital.

There was very little trouble in subduing the 2 million English with 40 thousand Normans. There were no difficult rebellions under English barons. If you emit a stinky fart from your brain by thinking that Waltheof was fighting a Saxon rebellion in 1075, then please clear the air of your brain's malodorous creations and acknowledge the truth: that Earl Roger was a Norman and Earl Ralph was a Breton from Britanny in France. That rebellion of three Earls was not a backlash to the killing of Harold Godwinson by actual English nobles. One English earl, Waltheof, was implicated as a half-hearted co-conspirator who may have been largely innocent. You are a fake poo-head who spews his stinky brain poo in complete ignorance of the actual details of history.

William was not in a precarious position after his conquest. Harold's sons tried to lead uprisings several times from Ireland and failed spectacularly. William spent much of his time in Normandy proper fighting his brother Robert and his son. You make it sound like this guy was nearly on the ropes. His control of England was pretty smooth by the turbulent and war-like standards of the time.

Your head is poo.

Not sure what point you're trying to make, since the patter of ineffectual insults is getting in the way of your content. Here, look:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_England#English_resistance

Yes, the Normans won; no, it was not particularly quick or easy. Regime change seldom is. William won against Harold, then he spent years winning against earls and his own disloyal followers, in between which he had to pay off Denmark. Does that sound like fun to you? It doesn't sound fun to me. And--key point--this was with the Normans being human beings rather than mythical horrors, and Denmark was not a theocracy, which changes some dynamics, e.g. the willingness of the local Denmark analogue to accept gold in exchange for peace.

This subforum is small enough that limp-wristed slap fights aren't a great idea. Try to keep it civil! Use your head, bro!
 

Anabanana

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Ah, yes, the sweet sweet sound of the 'Dex fucking up and flinging shit at each other as usual. I've (not really) missed this place.

Really though, is there any point in holding back now? It's time for the entirety of Methuss to DIE THE DEATH! SENTENCE TO DEATH! GREAT EQUALIZER IS THE DEAAAATTTTHHHHHH!!

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Peace out, bruhs.
 

treave

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Final tally:

A1 - 1
A2 - 3
A3 - 3
B - 2
C - 1
D - 4

Post-flop:

A2 - 3
A3 - 3
B - 3
D - 5

Quite busy this week. I'll be updating over the weekend, so votes close Friday, or thereabouts.
 
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lightbane

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It seems everyone agreed to go DRAKENGARD! wipe out everything near us. Oh well, diplomacy was no longer an option anymore. Let's see how will this inevitably backfire.
 

treave

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The Death of Yuiria

The serpentine white dragon swims in the sky lazily, circling around you in a protective guard. Bolts of lightning spark randomly from its glittering scales, arcing to the earth beneath. Here they strike a magical shield, causing it to flicker alarmingly. There they land on the grasslands, starting a raging wildfire. The streets of the capital are starting to fill with people, gaping at the sight of the massive dragon, longer than their highest towers are tall, flying in the sky. Even in the face of their imminent doom they cannot resist the urge to gawk.

The attack comes, sooner than you would have liked. Floating platforms, each sporting a fair number of war mages, begin casting their spells. Bolts of every elemental variety pour towards you in a rainbow-coloured torrent of light. Your dragon swirls through the air and curls up in front of you. The spells splash against its body, slowly but surely chipping away at the beast’s form.

It roars, electricity bursting from its jaws in an ever-spreading cone. The lightning washes over the shimmering magic that protects the capital, the crackling streams of blue and white like rain pouring down a glass dome. The mages give pause as they wonder for a second whether they should reinforce the shields or put up their own. As the dragon distracts them, as you meant it to be, you begin casting your spell.

You spread your wings, feeling the tingle of latent power running through your naked flesh. The shields prevent you from directly transforming the entire capital into fuel for your spell, as you did at the ruins, but there is more than enough in the environment for you to work with. All around the capital, in the untouched lands unprotected by their shields, the very earth begins to crackle with electricity. Your spell transmutes even the most trodden dirt into luminous matter. The land breaks apart, eroded into pure energy that rises into the air in countless shining pillars. It is a stunning sight, and indeed the assault of the mages on your dragon has ceased, awe-stricken as they are by the spectacle in front of them. They would not be mages if they were not able to admire this feat of magic.

The pillars are swallowed up by the clouds above your head, which then begin to spiral, and darken, and bulge, like the distended belly of some bloated beast. Within that belly is an ominous white glow, shining so hotly that it can be perceived even through the black clouds. Rain starts to fall, the drops sizzling where they land upon your dragon; mild at first, and gradually growing heavier. The halo above your head is spinning rapidly, pulsating with energy that it is drawing in from your surroundings to replenish your own mana. You are taking in so much mana that it is turning the area into a magical deadzone - a place where the world itself begins leeching mana from all living things in order to compensate for the imbalance. But after you are done with this place, there won't exactly be any living things around to speak of so... it's probably not a big deal, is it?

By now, all the citizens of the capital can see, from behind the safety of their own walls, is pure, white light. They are encased in a cage of light, watching as the world beyond their capital is turned into nothingness.

You clench your fist, murmuring the incantation. The material earth will transcend and soar the skies; my will is the light of judgment that illuminates the world.

Strong winds buffet your body, the atmosphere turned into chaos in the wake of the devastation you have wrought. The pillars vanish, the last bits of energy joining the great, dazzling light in the sky that now shone brighter than the sun. It is complete, your strongest spell at the full extent of your power.

Their doom is sealed. Things could have gone differently if they had not decided to march an entire army to your doorstep, one filled with the political maneuverings of their own nobles. You have had plenty of experience with that back when you were human yourself; always, always there would be those who sought to use your power. You know full well the squabblings of the kings and nobles who looked at a hero and saw a political chip. The joke was on them, because you saw them as moneybags to sponsor your comfortable retirement from heroism. A few political speeches here and there wouldn’t have hurt anything but your dignity. But then the goddesses just had to get involved…

You gaze down on the capital, and the hapless souls within, and wonder for a second why it came to this.

Ah, that’s right. They tried to take your stuff.

Grahferde, and everything else that Rin conquered, that’s all yours now. She might have done a hackjob of things but from what you can see it looks like a very comfortable buffer for a luxurious existence once you manage to delegate the operations to someone willing to run the place.

So to start with, it’s better for you to warn everyone else what happens to people who try to take your stuff, so that they don’t get any ideas, so that they will whisper amongst themselves: “Look what happened to the last guy who got ideas!”

You raise your clenched fist and bring down Gigadyne from the heavens.

It falls, faster than sound, a gargantuan pillar of crackling lightning that engulfs the capital in blinding light. The displaced air blasts outward in an expanding, thunderous shockwave that is strong enough to rattle the walls of fortress Raguria, a fair distance away.

The capital’s shields are as paper before the might of your lightning, crumpling away as if they never existed. Whatever meager defenses the mages could have conjured up at the last minute are swept away with even greater ease.

The city dies.

Its people, its streets, its towers; none survive the spell. It is melted down to its foundations, and then deeper.

The twin rivers are boiled into nothingness.

At the end of it, there is nothing left of Yuiria but a cavernous, burning hole in the ground, deep enough that magma has begun boiling out of its bottom. The land surrounding it is equally devastated, torn to shreds to fuel Gigadyne and then further damaged by the blast of the spell’s impact. With your own hands you had turned what was once a beautiful, vibrant, and more importantly, commercially lucrative place into a desolate deathscape that is hard to benefit from. You scratch your head. Maybe, just maybe, it might have been a bit wasteful to overreact like this? You begin to wonder if you were in the right state of mind…

Something stirs your instincts – your halo shivers and you feel a slight chill run down your spine.

There, at the bottom of the pit where countless lives had just been snuffed out like a candle’s flame, rising from the lava unscathed, is a single figure.

The naked figure is that of a woman, though not particularly shapely compared to Rin... though in all fairness the demoness would easily rival any buxom barmaid you cared to mention in both quantity and quality. The wings, however, are what catch your attention.

Angel’s wings.

So the rumours were true. Methuss did have an angel trapped somewhere, and you have just found it.

The woman raises her head, and even though her face is obscured with long golden hair, unsinged even in close proximity to the flames, you can tell that she is looking at you. She spreads her wings. Then, she lets out a loud, piercing screech that utterly extinguishes the fires of the pit and stirs up the magma beneath her feet. The force of that scream reaches even you, high above her, and it batters the dragon you had summoned into glowing pieces.

And in that instant, you feel, for the first time in a long time, terror. A fundamental instinct that stirs your drive for fight or flight.

***

You decide to:

A. Fight. Bash heads first, decide later. You’ve finally found an angel and you’re not about to let her go.

B. Flee. You don’t want to take on an unknown angel without thoroughly researching her first. It’s enough that you know another angel exists.

C. You fight against your instincts and find your civility again. You are a gentleman, as naked as she is. Since you are on equal grounds, both hiding nothing from each other, there is no better time for a diplomatic approach. You try to talk to the angel.

***

You are a bit more energized than you would have expected fresh off casting an extremely powerful spell... somehow, you suspect that the death of countless people has something to do with it. There is nothing you can do about it now, at any rate, and the renewed strength flowing through you takes the form of:

A. An increase to your vitality and physical prowess. Minor increase to Vitality, major increase to Physical Attack and Physical Defense.

B. An increase to your mana capacity and magical prowess. Minor increase to Mana, major increase to Magical Attack and Magical Defense.

C. Improved offensive ability. Moderate increase to Physical Attack, Magical Attack and major increase to Agility.

D. Improved defensive ability. Moderate increase to Physical Defense, Magical Defense and major increase to Agility.
 
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lightbane

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*Erdrick used Ion cannon! It is super-effective! Thousands of lives were instantly lost! Your class has changed! Now you have become a Mister Genocide-Man!!*

It is done. Hopefully you liked the level-up and the unlocked secret boss fight, because in exchange of these two we lost the opportunity to acquire magical loot, new spells, companions and more, announced our presence worldwide and pissed off several factions, if not all of them. Once you get into the Genocide Path, you cannot get out that easily.

You are taking in so much mana that it is turning the area into a magical deadzone - a place where the world itself begins leeching mana from all living things in order to compensate for the imbalance.

And also magical radiation, because it wasn't enough overkill.

She might have done a hackjob of things but from what you can see it looks like a very comfortable buffer for a luxurious existence once you manage to delegate the operations to someone willing to run the place.
Odd, I thought Erd considered the goblin village too simple for his tastes.


At the end of it, there is nothing left of Yuiria but a cavernous, burning hole in the ground, deep enough that magma has begun boiling out of its bottom. The land surrounding it is equally devastated, torn to shreds to fuel Gigadyne and then further damaged by the blast of the spell’s impact. With your own hands you had turned what was once a beautiful, vibrant, and more importantly, commercially lucrative place into a desolate deathscape that is hard to benefit from. You scratch your head. Maybe, just maybe, it might have been a bit wasteful to overreact like this? You begin to wonder if you were in the right state of mind…

Blame those voters who wanted to watch the city burn. All of these plot points, loot, companions/fuckbuddies... All of them lost like tears in the rain. Also, quite telling that Erd doesn't seem to be particularly concerned by having done an ionocaust.

The woman raises her head, and even though her face is obscured with long golden hair, unsinged even in close proximity to the flames, you can tell that she is looking at you. She spreads her wings. Then, she lets out a loud, piercing screech that utterly extinguishes the fires of the pit and stirs up the magma beneath her feet. The force of that scream reaches even you, high above her, and it batters the dragon you had summoned into glowing pieces.
And in that instant, you feel, for the first time in a long time, terror. A fundamental instinct that stirs your drive for fight or flight.

Perhaps a more direct Drakengard reference: a nightmarish woman-like thing which possess great lung capacity and ear-piercing screams. The main character has to be stabbed by her yet, but that will be easily solved soon. Also, that's a quite good eyesight to see from that far, Erd.

By the way treave, what is Barbatos' tactical insight about the situation? And what happened about getting a Halo upgrade that you mentioned at some point, long ago?

1. C
2. C>B>D>A
 
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Grimgravy

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A>C Carnage pigeons may be like cavemen. We need to club her into submission and drag her back to the cave by her hair.

C>A
 

Baltika9

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Worth the wait! As for the angel, well, I don't think she's in a diplomatic state of mind. Let's beat the shit out of her.
Ax
 

TOME

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BD.

"thoroughly researching" is what I'm voting. In the mean time, more defence means more time to cast Gigadyne.

Shame about all the princesses. Hopefully some of them weren't present.
 

Kipeci

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Stupendous update, treave! I was about to be worried that we'd made a horrible mistake that would be an eternal blot on our soul and a devastating blow to most any relations in or out of the capitol. But I don't even care about that garbage anymore, because look at what we've gained! Top XP, an angel sighting (not one conducive to being Touched by a Gayngel, but still!) and conclusive knowledge that our Gigadyne's OP status scales impressively with our mana to the point that the shielding efforts of a kingdom don't even matter.

I'll be posting more on the topic, but more than whatever course of angelic interaction (all have their benefits, I'm inclined to hear arguments out) I think it's best to pursue 2B. We're close to taking our mana off the alphabetic charts, and even a 'minor' increase yields huge benefits at the scale we're at. That aside, boosts to magic attack and defense allow us to more efficiently use our mana for the sake of destruction or defense, and we may need it very soon... it's quite clear that this angel was using magical attacks as have been the mainstay of any angel that we'd heard of, so magical defense is going to be key to surviving the next few minutes. Magical attack allows us to dish it out, too.

Wonderful update, wonderful advances. I should never have doubted the city-nuking option.

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Voting xB for the moment, to be clear.
 

Anabanana

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You begin to wonder if you were in the right state of mind…

I was in a bad mood and not thinking straight, okay? Don't judge me...! *collapses, sobs quietly in the corner* This is why nobody should ever give me access to nuclear codes.

Anyway, I personally want to angel diplomacy so bad... but it's pretty clear that the only sane option is to GTFO at this point. If everyone wants to take advantage of our amazing momentum of terribad life choices, I'd highly recommend the BATTLE TO DEATH option. It would end this LP on a hilarious high point as we kill a bunch of people, nuke an entire city out of irritation, and then get bashed to death by an angel because RAWR RAWR FIGHT THE POWER.

BB.
 

Anabanana

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I am amazed at my own powers of persuasion.

Real talk though, I am kinda sad we never got to find out what the deal was with that mysterious creepy priest guy in the cathedral. Never voting right after a long stressful day at work again lawl.
 

ScubaV

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I haven't been voting lately, but I'm still following along whenever an update comes out. treave as always you're very creative and a great writer, but most of all I have to admire your stamina. You've been plugging away all these years, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, but still going after so many others have burned brightly and then flamed out. That trait is probably what would let you actually publish novels if you paired with a good editor. I don't know what you do now, but if you ever wanted a side gig or early retirement, you could probably make a serious go of it.
 

TOME

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This bitch has been in captivity and hasn't just killed thousands of people. Killing so many people at once has made us into a sexual tyrannosaurus. We will dominate and fuck this bitch.

Angels are powered by carnage and she is closer to the ground zero than we are. She is the tyrannosaurus here and she will (ass)rape us.
 

a cut of domestic sheep prime

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1. C>B

Here's a couple of things to consider:
  • We have just turned the city into a magical deadzone.
  • We have just cast the most powerful spell we have ever cast AND summoned a thunder dragon.
We've spent a lot of energy and the world has no more energy left to give, so our halo may not be able to absorb more. We may not be able to cast enough magic to give ourselves the edge we need against an angel in a fight.

2. A>D

If we do fight (or have to fight her off so we can flee), we need to protect ourselves either with strength or speed. Again, I don't know that we can depend on higher magic here and her just freaking screaming tore up one of our most powerful spells.

Besides, we'll need all the strength and speed we can muster once we finally find Rin - who has probably been mind-controlled again.
 

Baltika9

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This bitch has been in captivity and hasn't just killed thousands of people. Killing so many people at once has made us into a sexual tyrannosaurus. We will dominate and fuck this bitch.

Angels are powered by carnage and she is closer to the ground zero than we are. She is the tyrannosaurus here and she will (ass)rape us.
And what is the problem with that?
Here's a couple of things to consider:
  • We have just turned the city into a magical deadzone.
  • We have just cast the most powerful spell we have ever cast AND summoned a thunder dragon.
We've spent a lot of energy and the world has no more energy left to give, so our halo may not be able to absorb more. We may not be able to cast enough magic to give ourselves the edge we need against an angel in a fight.
Whereas she just woke up. As much as I hate going Full Gobblecock, an enraged angel won't go unnoticed for long and if we want to take her, then the best time is now.

:hmmm:

Unless we want to let her go and frame her for the attack on Yuiria City?
 

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Look, I'm with you guys on taking her in, if possible, but I would rather do it without a fight. We are powerful, but some of the descriptions of other angels sounded even more powerful than we are. We have no idea what this girl can do.

Hang on...

treave just what is our plan in C? Are we just going to wander up to her defenselessly and hope for the best? This is angel diplomacy - we need details before doing something this crazy. Also, do we think the magical deadzone or our current level of combat fatigue will impact our abilities should we fight her?
 

treave

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Unless we want to let her go and frame her for the attack on Yuiria City?

That was always going to be an option regardless of what you choose here, though it's easier in some choices and harder in others. :M

treave just what is our plan in C? Are we just going to wander up to her defenselessly and hope for the best? This is angel diplomacy - we need details before doing something this crazy. Also, do we think the magical deadzone or our current level of combat fatigue will impact our abilities should we fight her?

You won't be standing there and taking a beating, but you'll be trying your best to communicate with words rather than spells.

As for your current ability, assume you're in good condition with no stat penalties. But you can't expect to regenerate any mana from the surroundings and will in fact start to lose mana while you are in the area, as implied in the update. The drain shouldn't hurt you too much but it may be noticeable in a prolonged magical duel. Of course your opponent is also fighting under the same circumstances, so it's fair.
 

Kipeci

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Bear in mind that selecting the 'minor' increase in mana will still leave us with far more of the stuff than we've ever had in the past, guys, not to mention that the boosts to our other magical stats leave us able to use our mana more efficiently than ever before. A huge mana also leaves us with great melee capabilities given our gauntlet for any later physical encounters.
 

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