Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Thread

[Mynon]

Looking at the steam user reviews after the steam sales, there are finally some positive ones on the front page. So, looks like the consensus might be changing with the influx of new players.

 

[YES!]

Looking at the steam user reviews after the steam sales, there are finally some positive ones on the front page. So, looks like the consensus might be changing with the influx of new players.

It is a given this game will be considered a great game, whether it be in two years or ten. Do me a favor and remember this and the people shitting on it so the don't pull a Troika and all of a sudden love good games five years after the developers were shut down because of their hate mongering small minded drama hissy hate fits of poor taste and poorer thinking ability.

 

[Mynon]

To be fair, that seems to be a running meme about the way in which RPG Codex folks approach and rate RPGs. What I saw so far sort of confirms it tho, so I wouldn't be surprised if you're right.

 

[CptMace]

Finally gave this game a shot.
It's surprisingly boring and unimaginative.
Although I'm not familiar with Numenera, maybe that's the problem ? Or the fact they wanted to merge a thing (PST) and another (Numenera) with no regards to the relevance of the combination ?

 

[Iznaliu]

It is a given this game will be considered a great game, whether it be in two years or ten.

It is a given that you are considered a great joke.

 

[Mynon]

Looking at the steam user reviews after the steam sales, there are finally some positive ones on the front page. So, looks like the consensus might be changing with the influx of new players.

Recent reviews are actually at 65%, lower than the 67% average.

Obviously, we were talking of the reviews featured on the front page, ie the most rated/best rated ones, rather than of overall positive to negative ratio. Majority of players won't ever post their own reviews, so votes on existing ones are as good a representation of their opinion as any.

 

[ga♥]

Looking at the steam user reviews after the steam sales, there are finally some positive ones on the front page. So, looks like the consensus might be changing with the influx of new players.

It is a given this game will be considered a great game, whether it be in two years or ten. Do me a favor and remember this and the people shitting on it so the don't pull a Troika and all of a sudden love good games five years after the developers were shut down because of their hate mongering small minded drama hissy hate fits of poor taste and poorer thinking ability.

Why do you bitch about IE games being too easy and then you praise TTON, when you can't even set difficulty and its just a big (ugly) story mode?

PST was praised the moment it came out, it didn't become a classic after "two years".
Can I have an example of a game shitted on when it came out and then suddendly after some time considered a masterpiece?

 

[prodigydancer]

Fig proves that not all evolutions are beneficial.

Fig seems to be more about making money than games. Such projects tend to fare poorly in the long run simply because they focus on the wrong thing. If you just want to make money, start a hedge fund or a holding company or a bank.

As for KS, I don't see anything inherently wrong with their model. But they, too, have a problem with getting their priorities straight (at least in the VG segment). Apparently, they see the publishers as competition, but the truth is, there are tons of projects that will never see a cent of publisher funding for various reasons, and that's where they could step in. But KS needs to start treating the backers as actual paying customers, not as casino gamblers. Which means stricter rules for the developers.

And that's where we go back to TToN. In the world of a backer-friendly KS, inXile would have a lot to answer for. E.g. why is their art such garbage? Somehow Red Hook can afford good art and you can't with a budget 15 times as big? TToN isn't a even a huge game - it has only so many backgrounds and portraits. Where the hell did the money go?

 

[Sizzle]

TToN isn't a even a huge game - it has only so many backgrounds and portraits. Where the hell did the money go?

It's obvious they grossly mismanaged their funds. There are so many T:ToN screens of areas that never even made it into the game. Not concept art - fully finished, rendered area screens.

Not to mention - cut features (even an entire city), squandering funds on different (inferior) portrait art.

I hope that one day we will learn what exactly went wrong with the development of this game - it would probably make for a better story than the one in the game itself :D

 

[tripedal]

Has anyone counted how many maps/NPCs/quests/etc PoE has vs TToN?

 

[Zer0wing]

I hope that one day we will learn what exactly went wrong with the development of this game - it would probably make for a better story than the one in the game itself :D

Let's hope it's not a problem with InXile staff's mental and sexual health.

 

[YES!]

Looking at the steam user reviews after the steam sales, there are finally some positive ones on the front page. So, looks like the consensus might be changing with the influx of new players.

It is a given this game will be considered a great game, whether it be in two years or ten. Do me a favor and remember this and the people shitting on it so the don't pull a Troika and all of a sudden love good games five years after the developers were shut down because of their hate mongering small minded drama hissy hate fits of poor taste and poorer thinking ability.

Why do you bitch about IE games being too easy and then you praise TTON, when you can't even set difficulty and its just a big (ugly) story mode?

PST was praised the moment it came out, it didn't become a classic after "two years".
Can I have an example of a game shitted on when it came out and then suddendly after some time considered a masterpiece?

Every single Troika game are your examples. And no game should have difficulty modes so everyone has a shared experience. I don't see how anyone with the mental capacity of a early teen or greater could ever argue PST posed any sort of challenge at all (besides the challenge of continuing to play while bored out of your mind from the boring combat) compared to TToN, which actually required player input and thought. Was it challenging? No, but yes compared to PST or any other IE game, and it did require playing input and thought unlike most of the most popular games on this site, which certainly did not.

 

[FeelTheRads]

So much input in pressing dialogue options until they're exhausted. I was overwhelmed.

 

[Iznaliu]

Has anyone counted how many maps/NPCs/quests/etc PoE has vs TToN?

It doesn't matter if they are all shit.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Has anyone counted how many maps/NPCs/quests/etc PoE has vs TToN?

Please add memorable combat encounters to that list.

 

[Iznaliu]

Please add memorable combat encounters to that list.

I think T:ToN would have more, as they are generally regarded as memorable for being a pain in the ass.

 

[DemonKing]

I actually enjoyed at least some of the "Crisis" situations in TtoN. I can't remember enjoying any of the combat in PST.

It wasn't perfect by any means but at least they tried to mix things up a bit. Whatever you think about the TtoN story I would argue it's still a better "game" than PST.

 

[Florian Gheorghe]

I am still enjoying the game a lot.

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[Athelas]

In the purely academical interest of determining just how much of a flop the game was, does anyone know how many slacker backers T:ToN ended up having?

https://torment.inxile-entertainment.com/game

Thanks to its more than 90,000 backers

The portal used to show the exact number: https://web.archive.org/web/20161031230410/https://torment.inxile-entertainment.com/

94,963 backers as of 31 october 2016.

Maybe it was never going to sell very well, and PS:T being such a cult classic made a disproportionate amount of passionate fans back the Kickstarter, making InXile set unrealistic sales expectations. I guess we'll have more perspective once the second wave of Kickstarter RPG's, D:OS2 and PoE2 are released.

 

[Iznaliu]

I guess we'll have more perspective once the second wave of Kickstarter RPG's, D:OS2 and PoE2 are released.

Seemingly minor things can double a game's sales or cut them in half.

 

[Zer0wing]

Maybe it was never going to sell very well, and PS:T being such a cult classic made a disproportionate amount of passionate fans back the Kickstarter, making InXile set unrealistic sales expectations.

Pretty sure it's not the issue. The issue is, InXile doesn't know how to make a worthy PS:T spiritual successor. But that's half of the problem. InXile can't do their job and translate a PnP system into CRPG format, it looks tacked on and unnecessary since it's so easy to become overpowered and deal with all the checks with pretty modest INT score.

 

[Terpsichore]

Every time I see this thread being bumped to the front page, I remember just how awful the game is.

Please stop.

 

[ShadowSpectre]

I have to add that the t-shirts that came with this mediocre game are itchy and uncomfortable as hell. Why couldn't they use a premium cotton shirt instead of a value cotton shirt for that price? I feel like giving it away to charity would even be too cruel.

 

[FeelTheRads]

t-shirts that came with this mediocre game are itchy

The discs are probably printed on lead and the box made with asbestos.

This is probably the first game that can literally kill you.

 

[Iznaliu]

This is probably the first game that can literally kill you.

Should the US replace its nuclear arsenal with a T:ToN arsenal?