KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Serus]

You can easily get +7 dex bonus on Valerie without items even if you take +2 STR from her quest instead of +2 DEX.

Ok, yes you can make her small and raise her Dex on level up instead of Strength. Then she will hit even less stuff and enemy AI will decide to attack others...

You can always use agile weapon, you know?

But this conversation is pointless. You don't use full kit potential to increase tankiness but then complain that character is not tanky.

In a game where spells rule endgame, tankyness is not only AC. I will take my Undead tank with many tools for many situations over a few more AC, thank you very much. She has Shield Wall and Outflank. Harrim gives her +2 ac just by standing near, Nok Nok always flanks with her and gives her +2 more attack. This is another thing Val does not have.
She also has Back to Back and anyone flanking her does not get the +2 bonus to hit her. For Val you would need to take Back to back with multiple characters.

EDIT: OK in this game lvl 13 tower shield specialist gets immunity to flank. But with multi to Vivi and possibly Stalwart Defender, does anyone get her to lvl 13 by lvl 16/17?

Why would Valerie not have outflank? You're not making sense in that particular case. It's something you probably take on any front liner anyway. Teamwork feats aren't an exclusive feature of the Inquisitor class, only "solo tactics" is but with good feats like outflank which you end taking on anyone it doesn't matter. And if anyone stands near her on the front he/she might get targeted as well so you might give him/her shield wall which means Valerie can use it too. Also does Jaethal start with heavy armor proficiency? Inquisitors don't have it by default, and you calculated the AC assuming a heavy armor. And that costs another feat which an inquisitor doesn't have that many or a dip into fighter class. And also Valerie has more HP which also sometimes comes in play when tanking.

There certainly is a good point to be made about Jaethal immunities being more useful than AC, especially as the game progresses, but the one about teamwork feats really doesn't hold much value. Also Jaethal has her special healing "needs". Which might not be a big issue if you keep her an Inquisitor but still limits her a bit and so the undead status is not pure gain as you make it out to be.

 

[RegionalHobo]

Turns out using the ranged disarm trap thing summons a '' invisible '' character, which is really a floating pair of green hands, that can even tank!

The last hot-fix contains this gem:

No entry points on Pitax city map. Resolution: fixed.

No comment except that the Pitax chapter is still unfinished.

Needless to say I've just started the Pitax chapter and the first companion quest is bugged:

Spoiler

Annamede Belavarah is not on the map.

Considering all the above and the fact that I'm sick of save-scumming for successes on opportunities, I've decided to give up.

I honestly don't enjoy the game anymore because the pacing is completely retarded: you can have up to 3 timed quests at the same time and then you can have 300 days without anything happening. I mean the first 4 chapters of the game are great and I love the combat mechanics, exploration and the story but the hidden timers are killing it for me. Perpetual reloading where each loading screen takes 15 seconds it's no fun.

Also I will admit one thing: I'm not a hardcore player as this games requires one to be. You have to pay attention to how you are building your characters, how to progress with quests, how to manage the party in fights, how to build your town for max revenues, how to train your advisors for max stats, when to annex new territories and other micro-management activities (like best equipment and so on). At some point everything becomes a chore.

That being said, I will revisit this game sometime in the future. I'm burned out atm.

she s on the map, but you need to do the linzi quest before doing any of the tournament events

if you mean the three pitax quests after the tournament, they are all at 6 hours ingame time from each other in the map. but i get what you mean, time is a oppressive concept in a game with exploring

She is not in the tournament map.

but did you try to find her before the fish triathlon event? as far as i know it s at this point that she disappears

 

[toro]

Turns out using the ranged disarm trap thing summons a '' invisible '' character, which is really a floating pair of green hands, that can even tank!

The last hot-fix contains this gem:

No entry points on Pitax city map. Resolution: fixed.

No comment except that the Pitax chapter is still unfinished.

Needless to say I've just started the Pitax chapter and the first companion quest is bugged:

Spoiler

Annamede Belavarah is not on the map.

Considering all the above and the fact that I'm sick of save-scumming for successes on opportunities, I've decided to give up.

I honestly don't enjoy the game anymore because the pacing is completely retarded: you can have up to 3 timed quests at the same time and then you can have 300 days without anything happening. I mean the first 4 chapters of the game are great and I love the combat mechanics, exploration and the story but the hidden timers are killing it for me. Perpetual reloading where each loading screen takes 15 seconds it's no fun.

Also I will admit one thing: I'm not a hardcore player as this games requires one to be. You have to pay attention to how you are building your characters, how to progress with quests, how to manage the party in fights, how to build your town for max revenues, how to train your advisors for max stats, when to annex new territories and other micro-management activities (like best equipment and so on). At some point everything becomes a chore.

That being said, I will revisit this game sometime in the future. I'm burned out atm.

she s on the map, but you need to do the linzi quest before doing any of the tournament events

if you mean the three pitax quests after the tournament, they are all at 6 hours ingame time from each other in the map. but i get what you mean, time is a oppressive concept in a game with exploring

She is not in the tournament map.

but did you try to find her before the fish triathlon event? as far as i know it s at this point that she disappears

No. I will try it in a couple of days.

I'm too burnout after the savescumming session and the broken quest was the cherry on top.

Thanks.

 

[Polanski]

Will upgrading artisan shops improve the quality of tribute items they produce?

I expect so, but will not use my precious BP's if it doesn't.

Artisan items seem like the most reliable influx of gold btw.

 

[vazha]

Honestly any contest between Val and Jaethal should end the moment when you first discover Jaethal's immune to mind affecting spells. No +5 AC's going to save you if you're paralyzed left and right by mid-lvl mages (esp if you use mutagen for increasing dexterity, her wisdom will drop even further, giving her something like 4 will saves at lvl 10-11). Jaethal is an unorthodox, yet far superior choice for the main tank. Also nothing stops you from giving her TSS levels after she's got about 6 inq lvls + 1 vivi dip, she'll lose out what, maximum 2 dex modifiers, which you can easily remedy via mithril armor. Sure, TSS has also very useful shield to touch defense ability but it comes so late that even Valerie might not enjoy it for long.

Interesting fact: If you are a palladin, you can dramatically improve val's poor saves situation via a spell that gives party members their cha bonus to saves. Especially useful if you went for +2 cha option for her. Also considerably improves Regongar's off tanking abilities and makes linzi nigh-immune to anything mind-affecting. Come to think of it, Jaethal has what, 14 inherent charisma, right? so with +6 equipment she'd get a +5 bonus. That would make her an even more excellent tank than she is.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Wot the fuck, I did Val's retarded duel quest and 2 months later she comes bitching how I couldn't be arsed to do it.

9 Int is no help, I see.

 

[Canus]

Wot the fuck, I did Val's retarded duel quest and 2 months later she comes bitching how I couldn't be arsed to do it.

I believe the quest timer doesn't stop until she is talked to back in the capital after the quest.

 

[ga♥]

I do not know if Jaethaifu can replace Valerie as tank, since I have both.

1 thing though, is there any other char that can have perception as high as waifu? Also if you play with death's door d
disabled, life is so much easier with her in the party.

 

[Thonius]

Yeah she's cool and it's hard to top her perception.

 

[vazha]

I do not know if Jaethaifu can replace Valerie as tank, since I have both.

1 thing though, is there any other char that can have perception as high as waifu? Also if you play with death's door d
disabled, life is so much easier with her in the party.

Harrim, if you'll only invest in Wisdom, will eventually overtake her.

 

[Serus]

I do not know if Jaethaifu can replace Valerie as tank, since I have both.

1 thing though, is there any other char that can have perception as high as waifu? Also if you play with death's door d
disabled, life is so much easier with her in the party.

Her perception comes from: race bonus +2, inquisitor (level/2), class skill +3, wisdom modifier.
If you can get those you can get as high perception. Many non-human races get the bonus. Other than inquisitors Rogues get 1/2 class level to perception afaik.

 

[ga♥]

I do not know if Jaethaifu can replace Valerie as tank, since I have both.

1 thing though, is there any other char that can have perception as high as waifu? Also if you play with death's door d
disabled, life is so much easier with her in the party.

Her perception comes from: race bonus +2, inquisitor (level/2), class skill +3, wisdom modifier.
If you can get those you can get as high perception. Many non-human races get the bonus. Other than inquisitors Rogues get 1/2 class level to perception afaik.

Serus, your reading comprehension skill check failed, like it often happens.

What other RECRUITABLE NPC can have her perception? It's obvious that if you get a mercenary or you build your main char for that you could beat her, jezuz.

 

[ga♥]

I do not know if Jaethaifu can replace Valerie as tank, since I have both.

1 thing though, is there any other char that can have perception as high as waifu? Also if you play with death's door d
disabled, life is so much easier with her in the party.

Harrim, if you'll only invest in Wisdom, will eventually overtake her.

Harrim is already bad as he is. Also his low INT makes him get so few point per level that if you invest in perception, you can say goodbye to athletic. Which means you have to make him ranged.
Doesn't seem a good substitute.

 

[Serus]

I do not know if Jaethaifu can replace Valerie as tank, since I have both.

1 thing though, is there any other char that can have perception as high as waifu? Also if you play with death's door d
disabled, life is so much easier with her in the party.

Her perception comes from: race bonus +2, inquisitor (level/2), class skill +3, wisdom modifier.
If you can get those you can get as high perception. Many non-human races get the bonus. Other than inquisitors Rogues get 1/2 class level to perception afaik.

Serus, your reading comprehension skill check failed, like it often happens.

What other RECRUITABLE NPC can have her perception? It's obvious that if you get a mercenary or you build your main char for that you could beat her, jezuz.

You wrote, and I quote again:

is there any other char

Player character and mercenaries are "chars". Sorry mate, no ambiguity here. Learn to write.
Ironic isn't it? Accusing another of lack of reading comprehension and chosing to be an asshole about it when it's actually you are the one guilty.


Edit: In addition - nothing stops you from making a high wisdom char like Harrim an Inquisitor or Rogue and voila. - exactly what you asked for and what I said in my previous post.

 

[ga♥]

So basically I have to point out the obvious coz you admit being retarded? Allright. We were talking about the value of having Jaethal in the party, and you come with your "herp derp mercenary better" and you even think you are right about it. Go kys mongoloid.

 

[Serus]

So basically I have to point out the obvious coz you admit being retarded? Allright. We were talking about the value of having Jaethal in the party, and you come with your "herp derp mercenary better" and you even think you are right about it. Go kys mongoloid.

What? Are for your real? Even if we assumed "char" means what you want it to mean and not what it objectively means - even then my answer was still correct because you can make Harrim an Inquisitor and he'll be better due to higher base wisdom. So just like I said originally. Is Harrim a "char" enough for you?
And tone down this hostility bro, all the "retard", "mongoloid"... I know you think you need to do it because you're on the Internet and on the Codex and you think you need to fit in but you really don't have to.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Damn, Serus being slaughtered by a newfag. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

 

[vazha]

I do not know if Jaethaifu can replace Valerie as tank, since I have both.

1 thing though, is there any other char that can have perception as high as waifu? Also if you play with death's door d
disabled, life is so much easier with her in the party.

Harrim, if you'll only invest in Wisdom, will eventually overtake her.

Harrim is already bad as he is. Also his low INT makes him get so few point per level that if you invest in perception, you can say goodbye to athletic. Which means you have to make him ranged.
Doesn't seem a good substitute.

You mean mobility. But yes, I see what you're getting at. Missed that aspect.

 

[Parabalus]

Considering all the above and the fact that I'm sick of save-scumming for successes on opportunities, I've decided to give up.

I honestly don't enjoy the game anymore because the pacing is completely retarded: you can have up to 3 timed quests at the same time and then you can have 300 days without anything happening. I mean the first 4 chapters of the game are great and I love the combat mechanics, exploration and the story but the hidden timers are killing it for me. Perpetual reloading where each loading screen takes 15 seconds it's no fun.

Also I will admit one thing: I'm not a hardcore player as this games requires one to be. You have to pay attention to how you are building your characters, how to progress with quests, how to manage the party in fights, how to build your town for max revenues, how to train your advisors for max stats, when to annex new territories and other micro-management activities (like best equipment and so on). At some point everything becomes a chore.

That being said, I will revisit this game sometime in the future. I'm burned out atm.

What timed quests have given you problems? And what exactly did you do to fuck up your kingdom so much?

Its true that kingdom management gets way too time consuming as the game goes on, but its really not as punishing or difficult as you make it sound. The only really important thing you need to do is not ignore the one day events related to the ancient curse. And i guess don't ignore the order of the rack event for too long. Apart from that i can't imagine how you can fuck your kingdom up so much so as to really get in trouble. The big final chapter event has you loose 1 point from each stat per day and has no events that need to be completed. Even the shittest of kingdoms should be fine.

Of course the final chapter is very buggy so your probably right to take a break now, but i'm really curious what happened to your kingdom and whether the game will legit fuck you over or if you're just being dramatic.

I had Armag, Linxia and an Artisan timed quests all at the same time. But I solved all of them.

Also my kingdom is not fucked at all.

My main complain is about the game's pacing: Season of Bloom urgent, Vanishing of Varnhold urgent, Twice Born urgent and then you have 300 days of nothing.

300 days of savescumming for successes on opportunities ... it took me like 6 hours and my good will towards the game. This is what I'm talking about.

Edit: Actually I see Troubled. Wtf

Hmm, surprised you have less income than me, while having economy X, mine's VII and I'm a month ahead of you.
The formula is SUM(MIN(STAT,ECON)) across the stats, but I thought you'd get some cool economy rank up events to give you more BP.

 

[fantadomat]

You could spam timberyards for bp income. At least that is what i remember.

 

[Perkel]

So what is the consensus ?

 

[Elex]

You could spam timberyards for bp income. At least that is what i remember.

no wonder an army of fey want to kill you.

 

[ArchAngel]

I do not know if Jaethaifu can replace Valerie as tank, since I have both.

1 thing though, is there any other char that can have perception as high as waifu? Also if you play with death's door d
disabled, life is so much easier with her in the party.

Harrim, if you'll only invest in Wisdom, will eventually overtake her.

Harrim is already bad as he is. Also his low INT makes him get so few point per level that if you invest in perception, you can say goodbye to athletic. Which means you have to make him ranged.
Doesn't seem a good substitute.

What drugs are you taking? Why would you want to make harrim ranged because he does not take athletics?! My Harrim has 3 points into Mobility, max Perception and rest into Lore (Religion) and he does well in melee.

 

[vazha]

I do not know if Jaethaifu can replace Valerie as tank, since I have both.

1 thing though, is there any other char that can have perception as high as waifu? Also if you play with death's door d
disabled, life is so much easier with her in the party.

Harrim, if you'll only invest in Wisdom, will eventually overtake her.

Harrim is already bad as he is. Also his low INT makes him get so few point per level that if you invest in perception, you can say goodbye to athletic. Which means you have to make him ranged.
Doesn't seem a good substitute.

What drugs are you taking? Why would you want to make harrim ranged because he does not take athletics?! My Harrim has 3 points into Mobility, max Perception and rest into Lore (Religion) and he does well in melee.

calm down ) He meant mobility. You need mobility for harrim if you are decking him out in heavy armor and this further hinders his perception capabilities, as he's severely starved for skill points and splashing five or so into moblity takes a toll.

 

[fantadomat]

You could spam timberyards for bp income. At least that is what i remember.

no wonder an army of fey want to kill you.

I never build a single timberyard tho,i was going for chaotic kingdom filled with dangers and mystery.