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Grand Strategy Imperator: Rome - the new grand strategy from Paradox

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I wanted to express surprise, not to signify I care that greatly. Victoria 2's UI is so bad that I don't know where to begin. I haven't played all of PDX' shit, but I found EU4 to be quite good, compared to what we had before it.


I would love to hear you compare and contrast how EU4's ui is vastly improved compared to Vic 2.

Hurr durr, country info is at top of screen, diplo I right click on other countries.

That part is exactly the same, I suspect it had something to do with all the retard friendly systems in eu4 like mana points that enable morons like you to actually play these games.
 

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My firs PDX game was either HoI in 2004 or EU2, can't rightly remember.

I fail to see what does Victoria's interface have that sets it out as better in any way.

Also, I'm sure you "enjoyed in 15 minutes" the torrent of dialogue windows in Victoria, EUIII or any PDX game before EU4.
 

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I wanted to express surprise, not to signify I care that greatly. Victoria 2's UI is so bad that I don't know where to begin. I haven't played all of PDX' shit, but I found EU4 to be quite good, compared to what we had before it.
There's nothing inaccessible about Victoria 2's UI at all. It even tells you what every tab contains in nice big letters, which is far more than newer Paradox games can say (see HOI4, where the UI is left a mystery until you figure out what everything is through trial and error).
 
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Also, I'm sure you "enjoyed in 15 minutes" the torrent of dialogue windows in Victoria, EUIII or any PDX game before EU4.
??? I don't get it.



"I fail to see what does Victoria's interface have that sets it out as better in any way."

Me neither

My issue is with

" Victoria 2's UI is so bad that I don't know where to begin. "

How is EU4's UI substantially better then VIC 2?


You're probably just a retard who couldn't understand the old Pdox games, you probably enjoy EU4 for it's mana system. For retards like you.
 

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The game looks like boring EU4

Take note the first game was named Europa Universalis: Rome, so Imperator is also just a EU4 spin-off, so basicaly it is a map painter in a different setting.

The Roman times is a much better setting to create an empire, blob and map paint because there are plenty of small provinces to conquer.
 

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How is EU4's UI substantially better then VIC 2?

You're probably just a retard who couldn't understand the old Pdox games, you probably enjoy EU4 for it's mana system. For retards like you.

Vic 2 is practically popamole compared to Ricky
 
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How is EU4's UI substantially better then VIC 2?

You're probably just a retard who couldn't understand the old Pdox games, you probably enjoy EU4 for it's mana system. For retards like you.

Vic 2 is practically popamole compared to Ricky

Is typing properly difficult for a retard like you?

Do you mean victoria revolutions? I liked vicky 1 alot when I played it. It's one of my favorite games of all time. That said I don't have the desire to spend hours on end splitting pops these days.
 

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This AwesomeButton Retard seems extremely butthurt. I would be too if I was an EU4 downs fanboy, lol.

Are you just after Kodex Kool Kredits or are you this much of an edgy shit normally? Try putting forward an argument that isnt "hurr mana durr retard"
Nah,he is pretty insane. He even called me of all people a communist and a liberal,it really gave me a good laugh. If you are lucking he will ignore you :).
 

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This AwesomeButton Retard seems extremely butthurt. I would be too if I was an EU4 downs fanboy, lol.

Are you just after Kodex Kool Kredits or are you this much of an edgy shit normally? Try putting forward an argument that isnt "hurr mana durr retard"


Nah I wasn't always edgy but now I'm edgy as fuck when dealing with people moutbreathers.
Maybe that is what you tell yourself. But the reason you are edgy as fuck is because that's all you can do.

Oh no, some dumbfuck is calling me rearded on the internet, what am I going to do?
 
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This AwesomeButton Retard seems extremely butthurt. I would be too if I was an EU4 downs fanboy, lol.

Are you just after Kodex Kool Kredits or are you this much of an edgy shit normally? Try putting forward an argument that isnt "hurr mana durr retard"


Nah I wasn't always edgy but now I'm edgy as fuck when dealing with people moutbreathers.
Maybe that is what you tell yourself. But the reason you are edgy as fuck is because that's all you can do.

Oh no, some dumbfuck is calling me rearded on the internet, what am I going to do?


Yet you're the one who couldn't understand victoria 2.


Idiot :)
 
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Hello and welcome to another Development Diary for Imperator: Rome!

Today’s diary will be focused once again on warfare, and many of the considerations you face when conducting military operations in the game beyond those covered in the diary on Battles.

In many ways Imperator benefits from the many games before it here, and most of the things I will cover today are things that will be familiar to players of our other games.

Shattered Retreat

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Shattered retreat is a concept present in other Paradox games such as Europa Universalis, and what it means is that a defeated army can retreat all the way to a safe location without it being possible to intercept it, and without it being possible for the owner of the army to abort the retreat.

In Imperator a Shattered Retreat is not only initiated as the result of a lost battle, it can also be initiated at any time by pressing the “Full Retreat” button in the army interface. This also allows an army that becomes trapped in the Zone of Control of enemy forts to retreat back to friendly territory.

Relieving Besieged Forts

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(Here we can see the valiant Bhoja coming to relieve one of their forts which is currently being besieged by Maurya troops. The Bhoja army is treated as the defender and the Maurya army gets the terrain penalty from the fort being built on a hill)

Throughout history fortifications have been built on the most defensible locations, making use of mountains, passes, hills and just about any static defense feature. This would not only help the defenders, it also often strengthens any attempt to relieve the besieged city, as the besieging army might find itself pegged between the relieving force and the fortifications.

To facilitate this behavior, and to make it important to protect your besieging armies, Imperator will treat any army that is attacked while performing a siege as the offensive side, meaning that it is always the relieving force that gets the bonuses from defensible terrain, even if the besieging force was in position first.

Movement Lock

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While an object can be at any point between two cities in real life, in the game it can only ever be in one of the drawn locations on the map (ie in one City on our map). While this works fine for many purposes it does become a problem with army movement. As in all our games an army has to stay in the location where it started until it finishes moving towards its destination, and only then it will transfer to the new location. This means that if you interrupt a movement order between Rome and Ostia, the army will not be somewhere between Rome and Ostia, as it would in real life, but instead it will be standing in Rome, ready for new adventures.

To get around this problem, and avoiding the silliness of last minute aborting of movement in warfare, movement will be locked and impossible to interrupt or change once you have progressed more than 50% of the way to a new location. New orders can still be given, but these will be queued after the army has reached the adjacent location it was headed towards.

Assuming Control of a Siege

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If more than one army is partaking in the siege of the same city, and you are the war leader, or overlord of the country that leads the siege, you can assume leadership of the siege. Ensuring that it will be you who decides when to storm the fort, and that it is you who will gain control of the city once it falls.

Attaching

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When your army alone isn’t large enough to defeat the enemy you might want to have it shadow every move of an allied army, and sometimes you may want to allow your allies and subject to follow one of your armies. The army interface has a toggle for allowing allied troops to attach to your army, as well as a button to attach your army to another army that you share location with to automate this behavior.

Transfer Occupation

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Securing the territory you want is the goal of most wars, but in the chaos of a war with many participants it is not always going to be the country that occupies a city that want to annex it in the upcoming peace treaty. To facilitate prettier borders and cooperation between allies, we have a button in the province view with which you can transfer the occupation to any country that is on your side in the ongoing war.

AI subjects will also make use of this to ensure you can demand what you are due in a peace treaty (and so will allies, unless they want the land themselves).

Changes to Combat Tactics

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Finally a word on Military Tactics. While the system as described in the diary from in October created interesting situations where you are rewarded from trying to predict your opponent's choice of tactics, there were some issues we had with it.

This choice was in many cases quite random since it did not interact with the army composition at all. Having separate sets of offensive and defensive tactics also turned out to be a lot to keep in mind at all times.
The tactics system also overlapped with some of the unique unit abilities from the Military Tradition trees, which were also generally what one would expect to find under the umbrella of Combat Tactics.

For these reasons we have implemented a number of changes to the Tactics system (changes pioneered by @Groogy ).

  1. There are no longer both defensive and offensive tactics, instead you pick one for your army and it will apply whether you are the attacker or defender.
  2. While the bonus or penalty tactics provide is still dependent on how well they work against the tactic chosen by the opposing side, their efficiency is now dependent on the composition of your army.
  3. The unique stances from Military Traditions have now been reworked into Combat Tactics that you unlock, with slightly higher bonuses and different matchings than the base ones (but like all tactics they have to be matched with one that is vulnerable to have an effect).

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At maximum efficiency the generic Combat Tactics currently confer a 20% bonus, with unlockable Tactics from traditions adding another possible 5%. All generic Tactics will have unlockable tactics that they are more efficient against, and more vulnerable too, and vice versa.

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As an example the unlockable Phalanx tactic is particularly effective against the Shock Action tactic but how much of a bonus you get out of it will depend on how suited your army is to perform it, in the example above it amounts to 9.7%

This new system still keeps the element of attempting to predict your opponent's choice of tactics while at the same time adding to the equation that certain tactics are more efficient depending on your army composition.

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(In the above battle the Seleucids have picked the Phalanx tactic which is efficient against the Shock Action tactic chosen by the Antigonid. Since the Seleucid troop composition matches the ideal for their chosen tactic reasonably well they are able to )

That was all for this week. :) I will be back next Monday for another development diary, this time focusing on Barbarians, and the various ways you have to handle them :)
 

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I hope you can turn off shattered retreat like in CK 2
Shattered retreat is ok in EU4,but in CK2 is cancer. Very different mechanics,still you could disable it in the option before starting the game.
 

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